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Word Processors: One Writer's Retreat

Posted by timothy on Tue Sep 23, 2003 01:30 PM
from the impassioned-defense dept.
Charlie Dickinson writes "Writers get attached to the implement that puts words from head and heart on paper. Hemingway favored carpenter pencils for his drafts. Possibly only a blunt pencil lead would bear the vitality of words flowing from his fingertips. More recently, amid PCs on Everyperson's desktop, Northwest novelist David James Duncan noted his lengthy The Brother's K was lovingly crafted on a typewriter. Often individualistic, writers must feel free to accept or refuse new writing technology and answer only to their muse." Dickinson walks through some of the choices writers face (or have faced) in their choice of tools, and champions his own favorite -- which isn't a fancy "word processor" at all. Read on below.

Personally, when the PC revolution got underway, I bought an Apple IIe soon after its introduction. VisiCalc caught my eye. As did Flight Simulator, and going online with a 300-baud modem to local computer bulletin boards. But when it came to writing -- in those days, three drafts of a first novel -- I would not abandon my trusty Hermes portable typewriter. The Apple would not tempt me to some writing Eden. The complexity of computers, I sensed, could only sap the creative process.

This reluctance to mix computers with writing ended abruptly in 1988: I began writing professionally. At different writing jobs, I made use of whatever hardware/software combo the employer had. I fashioned text with PCs, Macs, Sun workstations, and still deemed any personal writing project at night better suited to the beloved Hermes.

I soon realized storing words on electronic media meant the professional wordsmith also did "desktop publishing." I had to worry about font selection, repagination, stylesheets. I wondered when I'd have time to find the right word, the original phrase. Once, while "writing" a software manual, I commented that I'd spent far more time formatting than actually writing. That comment went unanswered. I had a sure sense I needed to make an adjustment to new priorities.

Still, I couldn't shake the idea something was being lost when writers got embroiled in desktop publishing. After five years, I gave up the software manuals, the marketing newsletters, to refocus on personal writing. And for the first time, I thought about moving my writing to that Apple IIe. I hesitated. The monitor was filled with text glowing green on a black background. Would those green emissions overwhelm my inner eye of imagination, unlike a piece of paper sitting in a typewriter? I decided to take the plunge and see.

Maybe I looked sideways when I visualized a story scene. I soon found the Apple IIe gave efficiency analogous to replacing handwriting with typewriting. I only retyped what I needed in successive drafts. Counting words was a snap. And, thankfully, Apple IIe word processing was primitive: more a typewriter with memory, not a desktop publishing system. On balance, a good tool. Before long, I was publishing short stories to the World Wide Web.

But by 1999, living with an Apple IIe was Neanderthal. So despite 15+ years of service, I upgraded to an IBM ThinkPad laptop. I was attracted by portability, the renowned IBM keyboard touch, and a promised multimedia experience of the World Wide Web. As for writing, I would use the full-bodied word processor that came with the ThinkPad. This I accepted as a tradeoff for new PC technology. I gave it a go and lived with a plethora of pull-down menus within pull-down menus. I endured help balloons that appeared without bidding. To keep writing, I resisted becoming expert with all my word processor could do.

This strategy of limits on learning worked but briefly. In months, I was driven to maddening distraction with features I thought I'd accidentally turned on and wouldn't, in a blue moon, set right. Gems like capitalization on autopilot. But what really called for a decision was discovery of quotation marks in the wrong font spread randomly throughout a book-length file (and a pair of left quotation marks at that!).

Moreover, the ThinkPad's operating system, Windows 98, caused me to yearn for the stability of an Apple IIe (if not a Sun workstation). I thought about Linux--the alternative to Windows (unless one buys a new computer and goes Macintosh). But in a serendipitous experiment, I installed the very alternative BeOS on the ThinkPad. As operating systems go, it was a vision of loveliness. Scot Hacker, author of THE BEOS BIBLE, aptly described BeOS as combining "the grace of a Mac and the power of Unix."

The productivity suite I bought for BeOS had a "less is more" flavor and the word processor, in particular, worked well. I wrote a novel without struggle. But too often I tackled the day's writing deciding such issues as a font for the day's draft. The point being, I still had too many choices, compared to my beloved Apple IIe. When I finished the 76,000-word manuscript, I found a disconcerting bug in my otherwise dependable word processor. It repeated words, on occasion, in the text. Admittedly, a dozen "doubles" among tens of thousands of words isn't a big deal, but I wondered if my writing might benefit from even less computer functionality. Did those font choices have a price?

With a new novel to write, the time seemed ripe to switch software. I'd like to say I scoured about for word processors, but I didn't. In my novel, one character would write computer programs. The story question was, What software would he use? It had to be vi. Vi, a Unix editor for plain text files created in 1976 by Bill Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems. I'd remembered working with a software engineer, who saw no advantage to word processors and dismissed the "prettiness" of desktop publishing. He did everything in vi. Could I write a novel in vi? I decided, Why not?

Vi fast became -- and remains, 100,000 words later -- my writing implement of choice. Most of all, what I like about vi is something that is, well, aesthetic. I like vi's keyboard-only operation. Vi doesn't assault with helpful balloons or racks of toolbar icons. No, vi has a 70s ambience (no mouse, no GUI) that's refreshingly clean. In that sense, vi is a treasured software servant. It works well without showy presence and respectfully stays out of the way.

Sure, vi is only a digitized window on the ThinkPad screen. But, at times, I can almost imagine another sheet of paper filling up with words, not unlike one I rolled into my Hermes typewriter. That's when vi, the minimalist's text editor, lets the words roll freely, as with Hemingway's carpenter pencil, from my fingertips.


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  • Slashdot County Fair! (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:30PM (#7035825)
    Sunday! Sunday! Sunday!

    This Sunday at Slashdot Arena:

    VI VS. EMACS

    Right after the tractor pull and the monster truck races!!
  • vi is good but... (Score:4, Informative)

    by grub (11606) <slashdot@grub.net> on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:31PM (#7035835)
    (http://www.grub.net/blog/index.html | Last Journal: Wednesday June 27, @08:48AM)

    Having started with Wordstar under CP/M on an Apple ][+ in ~1981 or 82, I found Joe [sourceforge.net] to be just what I was looking for. If I want a graphical editor on a Unix-like system, NEdit [nedit.org] is the only thing I use (I have it configured to highlight/italicize/colourize keywords and other goo in Cisco PIX config files).
    It's graphical, yes, but otherwise quite lightweight and responsive. Of course a good working knowledge of vi is useful as it's pretty much the lowest common denominator on any Unix-like system.

    Pico? Begone, infidel! :)
  • In 1996, (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tarquin_fim_bim (649994) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:31PM (#7035839)
    in a presentation in Australia to the Press Club, Scott McNeally stated: "When the anthropologists look back on the 1980s and 1990s and do the archaeological digs, and get their callipers and brooms and microscopes out, they will blame the massive reduction in productivity during the 1980s and 1990s entirely on Microsoft Office."
    While this view maybe considered extreme, the author of the article certainly casts some doubt on the usefulness of complex word processing software. But then, I would not call vi particularly intuitive, but it does cut down on pointless formatting decisions that seem to endlessly arise.
    • Re:In 1996, (Score:5, Informative)

      by ePhil_One (634771) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:51PM (#7036064)
      it does cut down on pointless formatting decisions that seem to endlessly arise.

      This is utter nonsense. A writer KNOWS what font he writes in makes know difference, the magazine/publisher will likely decide this. This is akin to blaming the existance of pencils and electric sharpeners for his incessant pencil sharpening. Its just a habit he has to avoid working, get rid of it and he'll find another.

      Which isn't to say MS Word isn't a bloated nightmare.

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      • Re:In 1996, by sjames (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:18PM
        • Re:In 1996, by Darth Hubris (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @09:52PM
      • Re:In 1996, by John Allsup (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:48PM
      • Re:In 1996, by TomV (Score:3) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:24PM
      • "A writer KNOWS..." by crucini (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:21PM
      • Re:In 1996, by BiteMeFanboy (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:53PM
      • Re:In 1996, by Hatta (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @05:59PM
      • Stickies by cribcage (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @01:05PM
        • Re:Stickies by ePhil_One (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @02:02PM
      • Re:In 1996, (Score:5, Interesting)

        by orac2 (88688) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:03PM (#7036890)
        Dear God, no! I'm an editor in the U.S. and you just sent a shiver down my spine at the thought that I should try to read the next manuscript to cross my desk in courier, or any non-proportional sans serif font.

        Serif proportional fonts are much more readable for bulk text, as found in the body of a manuscript (this applies to paper printouts, not neccesarily on-screen where the crappy resolution of most monitors compared to paper gives proportional, sans-serif fonts the edge). As for things like word counts, etc, manuscripts invariably appear with an accompanying electronic copy (and often only the electronic copy, e.g. when something is filed by email).

        I don't know anyone who demands Courier 12/24. Actually, once upon a time, I was drinking with a bunch of publishing nerds, and we tried to work out what booze would go with what fonts, i.e. if Ariel was a drink, what drink would it be? (I did mention we were nerds right?). Anyhoo, Whiskey was the best match for Courier, and Guinness the best match for Times New Roman. The point is, disregarding price, which would most people rather drink a pint of? The longer the text, the more likely I am to want to see it in anything other than Courier.

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        • Re:In 1996, by noewun (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:22PM
          • Re:In 1996, by orac2 (Score:3) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:42PM
            • Re:In 1996, by noewun (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:45PM
              • Re:In 1996, by kalidasa (Score:3) Tuesday September 23 2003, @06:32PM
            • Re:In 1996, by swillden (Score:3) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:37PM
              • Re:In 1996, by orac2 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @09:06PM
                • Re:In 1996, by swillden (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @09:38PM
          • Re:In 1996, by Smedrick (Score:3) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:45PM
        • Re:In 1996, by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:38PM
          • Re:In 1996, by orac2 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @09:55PM
        • Re:In 1996, by Watts Martin (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:56PM
          • Re:In 1996, by orac2 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @09:52PM
        • Re:In 1996, by melinda99 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @10:13PM
          • Re:In 1996, by orac2 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @11:01PM
            • Re:In 1996, by melinda99 (Score:1) Wednesday September 24 2003, @05:53AM
        • Re: I NEED Courier Man by poofyhairguy82 (Score:1) Wednesday September 24 2003, @03:03AM
        • Re:In 1996, by Sablepegasus (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @06:19PM
          • Re:In 1996, by orac2 (Score:2) Thursday September 25 2003, @05:22PM
        • Re:In 1996, by orac2 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @09:57PM
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      • Re:In 1996, by Dwonis (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @01:41AM
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    • Re:In 1996, by julesh (Score:3) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:17PM
      • Re:In 1996, by lutzomania (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:04PM
      • Re:In 1996, by UberLame (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:37PM
      • Re:In 1996, by dvdeug (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @06:08PM
      • Re:In 1996, by omega_cubed (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @06:10PM
        • Another word ... by shellbeach (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @10:16PM
        • Re:In 1996, by julesh (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @03:52AM
        • Re:In 1996, by Grab (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @04:24AM
          • Re:In 1996, by Jason Earl (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @10:47AM
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              • Re:In 1996, by Jason Earl (Score:2) Friday September 26 2003, @03:43PM
    • Re:In 1996, by penginkun (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:51PM
    • Re:In 1996, by gaijin99 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @05:24PM
    • Speaking of McNeally, how about Open/StarOffice by yourruinreverse (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @07:08PM
    • Re:In 1996, by danila (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @09:27PM
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  • XyWrite (Score:5, Informative)

    by mr.henry (618818) * on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:33PM (#7035857)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday August 27 2003, @08:03PM)
    Salon has a pretty good story on XyWrite [salon.com], the old DOS word processor which is apparently a favorite among a lot of writers. If you want to play around with it, you can build a "XyLite" [serve.com] system with a little work. Also check out the XyWWWeb [serve.com], an excellent resource for XyWrite related stuff.
  • vi for writers? (Score:5, Insightful)

    Sure that plays well on slashdot, but most writers looking for a typewriter-with-memory would be better served by Notepad or the Mac equivalent. (Does OSX still have TextEdit?)

    How many writers know what a regular expression IS, let alone how to search with one? :)
  • My observations... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Lumpy (12016) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:34PM (#7035873)
    (http://timgray.blogspot.com/)
    I know 3 novel writers and many script writers...

    and they all completely despise Microsoft Word and Open Office.

    some of them even have nasty words to describe both of those products..

    basically the jist of all their gripes is the damned "features" you cannot turn off or get in the way, both apps (word and Open Office) are written for childish minds as one of them put it... "any word processor that does anything you did not specifically ask for is a complete piece of crap" (referring to microsoft word.)

  • Mr Duncan (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:35PM (#7035878)
    I met him at a writers conference in the outskirts of Detroit. He presented a small essay about the life of the borgeouis class in late 19th century Germany which many people found fascinating. But what astounded me, and I'm not usually that superficial, is how even though he had a pronounced lisp he was one of the most captivating speakers in the seminar.

    I spoke to him the following and explained to him that he was one of my main writing influences. I think I mildly embarassed him since he seemed to lost for words.

    Great chap and an excellent writer.

    Which is nice.

    • Re:Mr Duncan by sean23007 (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:26PM
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  • Bleah by Enry (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:35PM
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  • WFB on WordStar (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RabidOverYou (596396) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:35PM (#7035884)
    "I'm told there are better programs [than WordStar], but I'm also told there are better alphabets." --William F. Buckley Jr.

    This is a darn old quote; I've no idea what he's running these days.
  • Amazing (Score:3, Insightful)

    by cubicledrone (681598) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:37PM (#7035899)
    It is truly amazing how important the simple act of writing really is. Nearly every form of education, entertainment, business and reference is totally dependent on letters, words and sentences.

    In the face of $100 million motion picture budgets and teams of hundreds building video games, the words of another author remain quite profound:

    "With words alone, I have an unlimited special effects budget."
  • Textpad!! (Score:5, Informative)

    by NineNine (235196) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:38PM (#7035915)
    (http://ninenine.com/)
    Personally, I've been a fan of Textpad for years, and it's one of the few pieces of shareware that I actually bought. Light, fast, with incredicle search and replace (even regular expressions). I use it for the few documents I write, and any coding that I might do.
    • Re:Textpad!! by 514x0r (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:52PM
    • Re:Textpad!! by pileated (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:04PM
    • EditPlus by nycsubway (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:05PM
    • Re:Textpad!! by belchingjester (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:05PM
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    • Re:Textpad!! by nv5 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:15PM
    • Re:Textpad!! by fredrikj (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:46PM
    • Re:Textpad!! by Lije Baley (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:03PM
    • Re:Textpad!! by pmz (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:07PM
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  • Dunno about vi, but... by dustmote (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:39PM
  • Writing novels with real tools (Score:5, Interesting)

    by N7DR (536428) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:41PM (#7035934)
    I don't suppose that anyone is really interested, but this does give me the opportunity to say that my novels have all been written using absolutely the best tools for the job: a real editor (in my case, mostly VEDIT Plus under Windows, although I also did one with emacs) and Plain Tex. Yes, that's Plain Tex, not LaTeX.

    I remain firmly convinced that the combination of a powerful editor and Plain TeX cannot be beat.

    The problem, though, is that nowadays publishers more and more demand manuscripts in the form of M$ Word files, which frankly sucks. I am measurably less productive under Word than I am with the combination of (editor + Plain TeX), and I suspect that the same would be true of most authors who are technically competent.

  • Same here (Score:3, Insightful)

    by JanneM (7445) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:41PM (#7035938)
    (http://janneinosaka.blogspot.com/)
    Not at all at the level of "real" wordsmithing, but I wrote my Ph.D. thesis in Vi (Vim, to be exact) using LaTeX. Same goes for all papers and other 'professional' text generation.

    What a word processor does well, on the other hand, are short documents that are due to be printed and consumed immediately, such as letters, applications and so on. For such stuff, you can't really separate content creation and formatting anymore, and LaTeX becomes too heavyweight to deal with it. Of course, with that focus for wordprocessing, 95% of all features are absolutely worthless.

    • Re:Same here by JanneM (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:31PM
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  • Tools of the trade. by PhxBlue (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:41PM
    • I like to write my first drafts in pencil and paper. I use a 0.5mm #2 Pentel pencil, a Magic Rub eraser, and college-ruled paper. Subsequent drafts are typically on PC, in whatever format--usually .DOC format, since I primarily use Windows at home. I spent a half hour configuring the normal.dot template the way I wanted it, and I was off and running.

      Call it a result of my lousy public school upbringing, or a result of my 17 years of piano lessons, but I can type at 95 wpm and handwrite at only 15-20. Typing, I can almost keep up with my thoughts, and I find that papers, essays, and stories flow much easier from my mind to the page. Writing by hand, by the end of a long sentence, I've gotten so wrapped up in the mechanics of writing - loops, curves, dotting the T's and crossing the I's - that I've lost the flow, and have to frequently read back the same line over and over again to complete the thought.

      I'm not saying it's for everyone, but when teachers stopped insisting on handwritten rough drafts, I was a happy man.

      -T

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  • A refreshing article. by polyp2000 (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:41PM
  • PDA writing... by _LORAX_ (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:42PM
  • A Pentel 0.5mm Mechanical Pencil (Score:3, Insightful)

    by pleasetryanotherchoi (702466) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:42PM (#7035952)
    with index finger clicker is my weapon of choice, although I use Kwrite (What? Not Emacs/VI? Let the flammage ensue but direct your shrapnel away from the top of my head.) for producing a final draft.

    While words cannot express the beauty of discovering the frequency of Sol-type stars within 100 light-years of Earth, or Tibetan surnames and their construction without visiting a library, computers (and especially the internet) are a godawful distraction to creativity.

    Like now.

  • Jerry Pournelle's requirement (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Spectre (1685) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:43PM (#7035958)
    And Jerry Pournelle successfully campaigned to have Microsoft add an option to Word just for him. Which one?

    [] Blue background, white text

    That option is still there to this day.

    Dang, it must be nice to be able to tell Bill Gates what to do once in a while!
  • Simple? by phoneyman (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:43PM
  • vi is not simple by Junks Jerzey (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:44PM
  • IBM Selectric by xyote (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:44PM
  • Minimalism by dang-a-pin (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:44PM
  • You know... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by superdan2k (135614) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:45PM (#7035979)
    (http://www.fontosaurus.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday February 17 2004, @09:37AM)
    I have a degree in English, with a concentration in Creative Writing. You know what I do? I write first, format later, and you know what? It works! It's called time management.

    Furthermore, it's not tough to select Courier, 10pt., set the margin widths to 1.25" all the way around, and set the material to double-spacing. That's all that's really required.
    • Re:You know... by sasquatch zeke (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:22PM
    • Re:You know... by isaac (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:01PM
  • Creative people (Score:5, Insightful)

    by j-turkey (187775) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:45PM (#7035980)
    (http://slashdot.org/)

    Creative people seem to be among the most resistant to new technologies and/or meduims brought about by technology. The word processor is just one example...but how long did it take photography to be accepted as a fine art? (I'm sure that there are photographers out there right now that will argue that it still hasn't).

    A large fraction of those same photographers who are shaking their heads right now -- they refuse to accept digital photography as an artistic medium. Furthermore, much of the other digital "art" mediums have yet to be accepted...what about 3D rendering? This is surely an art form, but is not widely accepted. The demo scene is another that is not embraced by the artsy world.

    The point is that the artistic types will tend to cling to their ways...who knows why. But it doesn't seem like, as a group, creative folks tend to enbrace new technology (or in this case a pretty damn old one, like a word processor) I wonder if it's alright to use an electric light Vs. a candle to write?

    --Turkey
  • Bah, computers? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by JaredOfEuropa (526365) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:45PM (#7035982)
    (Last Journal: Saturday January 31 2004, @05:25PM)
    I can imagine people appreciate a tool like vi, or notepad for that matter, that has few features and is more or less keyboard-driven. Myself, I use editplus to bang out lots of text for reports, memos and the like... which means I do not have to worry about formatting and such. When I am reaonably happy with the text, I paste it into Word and apply a template and formatting.

    But for the more creative writing I still prefer a notepad and pencil for the first draft. I can easily annotate, make drawings, cross out stuff and then decide I want to keep that text after all... and there's just no computer tool that is as easy to use. I find that both the features and the inherent limitations get in the way of creativity.
    The drawback of course is that I have to type it ito the computer anyway, at some point.
  • The steadfasts by CAIMLAS (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:45PM
  • Not *too* surprising... by Xentax (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:45PM
  • Metapad (Score:3, Informative)

    by nucal (561664) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:45PM (#7035991)
    Metapad [liquidninja.com] is an excellent, free, plain text editor for Windows that can seamlessly replace Notepad. Handy for editing html source code ...
    • Re:Metapad by rpresser (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:08PM
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  • Work Method (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SpaceRook (630389) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:45PM (#7035992)
    Once, while "writing" a software manual, I commented that I'd spent far more time formatting than actually writing. That comment went unanswered. I had a sure sense I needed to make an adjustment to new priorities.

    I'd recommend writing the raw text first and then formatting later. I've written several lengthy user manuals. The first thing I write is a table of contents. This can be done in a program as simple as NotePad (although I like EditPlus).

    Then, fill out each section. Write the content. Trying to format on the fly with something like MSWord is a major pain in the ass (don't even get me STARTED on what a nightmare subdocuments can be). Plus, you end up wasting a lot of time.
  • I like technology by mrandre (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:46PM
  • Artistic vs. Technical people by gpinzone (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:46PM
  • vi is for wussies. I use ed (Score:3, Funny)

    by coult (200316) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:47PM (#7036004)
    for all my novels. Sometimes I even write in rot13 code just for fun.
  • Pen first, wp later (Score:4, Insightful)

    by thelexx (237096) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:47PM (#7036005)
    A friend was once writing a fairly lengthy document with pen and paper while sitting on my couch during one of his stays in town. He had brought his laptop with him, so I asked why he wasn't using it. He explained that it was too easy to spend a lot of time editing and second-guessing instead of writing. So he did his initial drafts and main revisions on paper first, then put it into a wp for final tweaking and output.

  • I still remember... (Score:4, Insightful)

    The last time I stepped into my mom's office (she's a lawyer btw) and still found people there using Wordperfect 5.1/DOS. Whatever works for your purpose, as my mom tells me "It does legal briefs better than anything else that I know how to use, so why change?" Why should authors use the latest version of MS Word or Vi, or Emacs or anything?

    Once people have found a comfortable niche in technology, why change until you have better needs?

  • XEmacs ... by Chromodromic (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:47PM
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  • I can feel you by dnoyeb (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:47PM
  • A whole book in vi? Can you say . . . by lithandie (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:47PM
  • Vi, vim, editors for the 21st century? by UninvitedCompany (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:48PM
  • Will the real writer please stand up? by SheldonYoung (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:50PM
  • Howard Waldrop's Word Processor of Choice by Nova Express (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:50PM
  • Real authors by Matey-O (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:50PM
  • by CAIMLAS (41445) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:51PM (#7036067)
    (http://forums.boiledfrog.us/ | Last Journal: Friday February 21 2003, @01:08PM)
    You weren't intended to "format" your writing at the same time as you wrote it, at least for a large part. Format things -after- you're done writing, if you find you tinker too much with formatting to get it "just right".
  • WordPerfect...5.1 by ZephyrQ (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:53PM
  • Plaintext by Bonker (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:53PM
    • Re:Plaintext by Tumbleweed (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:19PM
  • vi - love it by 32bitwonder (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:55PM
  • Why not PICO? by John Harrison (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:56PM
  • To be fair by gpw213 (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:56PM
  • Editors, editors, and word processors by crmartin (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:56PM
  • apple //e keyboard by frankmu (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:56PM
  • newspaper (Score:3, Informative)

    by scrotch (605605) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:56PM (#7036129)
    I work for a small newspaper and we have related issues. Writers use Word and do all sorts of inconsistent formating (inconsistent from other writers and other paragraphs they wrote). Everything gets placed in Quark XPress and most of the formatting dissappears. Most of the rest of it has to be undone.

    It's absurd to use a word processor that costs hundreds of dollars rather than TextEdit or Notepad just to mark a few words bold or italic (that's all the formatting we keep). It's also too tempting for writers to try to insert tables or images or other nonsense that really needs to be submitted as a seperate file. To make it more difficult, Quark 4.x on the Mac won't open an RTF or SimpleText file and retain the little formatting we need. It'll open a proprietary .doc just fine, though. It's rather absurd if you ask me. I've been told that Quark 6 opens RTF files, finally, maybe that will put an end to it.
  • Norton Textra Writer by Some guy named Chris (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:57PM
  • If I may quote Spider Robinson a moment:

    "Goc damn it, you didn't write it on a "word processor"! Or even on a "computer." What it is, is a goddamn typewrite--a machine for turning fingerstrokes on a keyboard into ink symbols on a piece of paper. (Okay, yours can also be used as a computer when you're not writing--my old Ryal manual can be used as a nutcracker, or a paperweight, or a murder weapon.) The silicon revolution did not change that process--from the user's point of view--much more than did the electric typewriter, it merely streamlined the error-correction process. When it's being used to make words appear on a page, it's a typewriter.
    To speak of your "word processor" is like refering to your car as an "exothermically powered, myocontrolled matter transporter." [ed. or refering to a flashlight as a "low voltage high density photon projector"] The only purpose of the term is to cue your listeners that you can afford to use a computer as a typewriter, and all it really tells them is that you're insecure enough to worry that people might think you still used one of those old-fashioned things to type on.
    --Mike"

    Take it for what it is worth...
  • Mellel for Mac OS X by thatguywhoiam (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:58PM
  • Proud BeOS user as well by IWantMoreSpamPlease (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:58PM
  • My biggest bane... by Croaker (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:59PM
  • WordPerfect 5.1 on MS-DOS by red_dragon (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:59PM
  • This guy sounds like Carrie on "Sex And The City" by uradu (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:59PM
  • "more a typewriter with memory" by Le Marteau (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:00PM
  • My two cents. by CGP314 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:00PM
  • Neil Stephenson by autopr0n (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:00PM
  • LaTex anyone? by olorin42 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:01PM
    • Re:LaTex anyone? by holy zarquon's singi (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:41PM
  • Cuneiform is essential (Score:3, Funny)

    by Camel Pilot (78781) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:01PM (#7036184)
    (http://www.perlworks.com/ | Last Journal: Monday January 06 2003, @05:06PM)
    Time to get back to the basics folks.

    Good writing should really be done on the primary writing environment - that is cuneform and clay [solstation.com].

    You should really forego the modern inventions of typewriters, ink and paper and such as they will contaminate the muse and offend the gods. Nothing like the smell and feel of freshly pressed clay tablets.

    • Writing?! by JohnsonWax (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @10:14PM
  • Does vi cause overblown prose? by ColonelPanic (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:02PM
  • Wordpad! by FroBugg (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:02PM
  • Notepad, Editpad or Textpad... by pdboddy (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:03PM
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  • My Dream Writing System (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Schlemphfer (556732) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:04PM (#7036212)
    (http://www.vegan.com/)
    I've been working on a book for the past year, and I spent many hours thinking hard before settling on my writing tool of choice. It wasn't my G4 tower with flat panel, nor was it my 1.6 gigahertz Vaio with flat panel. I decided the optimal tool for writing my book was a 266 Mhz Thinkpad I scored last summer off eBay for about $250.

    I prefered the Thinkpad for a couple of reasons. First, it had the best keyboard I've ever used. Second, I deliberately never installed games, nor hooked it up to the Internet. So I was never tempted to check email or surf the web when I should be writing.

    As for my word processor, OpenOffice did not until recently have a decent "draft mode" type view until recently. ABIword was too unstable (I don't know about the new 2.0 release.) So I've been using WordPerfect 10.0, which has the speed and flexibility I could desire, great footnoting, plus the ability to view embedded codes on the off chance your document gets screwed up.

    I'd say right now, my dream system for writing would be:

    A mini-PC
    Flat panel
    Thinkpad 600 Keyboard (how I wish I could buy the keyboard alone, that's why this is a dream PC.)
    WordPerfect

    A little shopping around for a used 1.6 Mhz system, and the whole thing shouldn't cost more than $400-$500. I couldn't ask for anything better for writing.

  • Message boards by Gefiltefish11 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:04PM
  • LyX (Score:3, Insightful)

    by frohike (32045) <bard.allusion@net> on Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:06PM (#7036240)
    (http://www.cagames.com/)

    Really, I figured someone would have said this by now (maybe they have and I need to refresh again :) but what this guy really needs is LyX [lyx.org]. It's basically a pretty word-processor-style front end for LaTeX. The help files and tutorial explicitly tell you that LyX follows a "WYSIWYM" principle -- What You See Is What You Mean. It tries to avoid pushing details like formatting into the writer's head, and instead focuses on getting the words organized into a meaningful structure. The program takes care of formatting everything based on the style you choose (you can choose any style at any time and the whole doc reflects it on the next preview). It's more or less the whole MVC paradigm that the XML/XSL folks push, but it's actually practical.

    After discovering it I became a lot more productive with my writing. Admittedly that was limited mostly to writing college papers, but I spent a lot less time fighting with the word processor over formatting, focused on the writing, and the output was usually awesome looking.

    YMMV I guess, if you're a formatting control freak then LyX won't work so well for you. Sometimes it's tough to make it do exactly what you want in the formatting phase too, so I eventually switched to using raw LaTeX or TeX for my docs, but LyX is a good middle of the road solution.

  • Writing tools (Score:4, Informative)

    by miketo (461816) <miketo@nwlinMOSCOWk.com minus city> on Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:07PM (#7036241)
    As a professional writer, I use a lot of different tools. Several of my books I've used MS Word, because the publishers had special templates and macros they used in production that weren't easily ported or usable in other software. (I know, I tried it.) On other stuff (aka 'submitted but not published' works) I've used TextPad [textpad.com], OpenOffice [openoffice.org], and Power Writer [write-brain.com]. TextPad lets me write without getting any programming or interface nonsense in the way; OpenOffice lets me compose more complex documents with footnotes; and Power Writer contains plot, character, and idea databases that help keep all my reference details in one place. All good, all for different reasons. Except Word. I'm not very fond of Word.
  • Modern-day typewriters (Score:4, Interesting)

    by CAIMLAS (41445) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:09PM (#7036266)
    (http://forums.boiledfrog.us/ | Last Journal: Friday February 21 2003, @01:08PM)
    If you're big on 'minimalist' stuff for writing, I'd strongly recommend one of the following (depending on how 'minimalist' you want to get):

    AlphaSmart 3000 [alphasmart.com]

    AlphaSmart Dana [alphasmart.com]

    They're (basically) Palm Pilots with full-sized keyboard functionality, w/o any irritating clip-on devices, etc. Their "word processor" is quite minimalistic with basic features such as spellcheck. Definately a nice tool for the mobile geek writer.

  • Tool preference by Pointy_Hair (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:10PM
  • Fiddling vs. "Good Enough" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Fencepost (107992) * on Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:13PM (#7036311)
    (Last Journal: Friday May 21 2004, @09:28AM)
    The problem with any WYSIWYG editor is that they promote fiddling with appearance when really the appearance is minor and the content is what matters. For a lot of things I'd actually rather have WordPerfect 5.1 than anything WYSIWYG, because it really doesn't matter whether the text ends halfway down the last page or has an extra 1 pt of spacing between each line to take it to the bottom of the page.

    Put differently, it all goes back to the aphorism "Perfection is the enemy of (good/progress/etc.)" which is true not just because in trying to make things perfect you often either ruin them or never finish them - it's true because everyone's idea of perfection is different, but most of us can agree on "pretty good".

  • Additional Simplicity (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Keighvin (166133) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:15PM (#7036330)
    I'm of the same school of thought, keep the writing process as simple as possible so as not to occlude the creativity.

    To that end, I have an AlphaSmart(.com) - a small portable keyboard, 4 lines of text, capable of storing about 100 pages (12pt. single spaced courier) of information. It runs on 3 AA (LR6) batteries and gets between 500-700 hours (no, no missing decimal points) of active use per set. I honestly haven't changed them in over a year. All active memory too, never worry about saving - it's always there no matter when it's turned off.

    It emulates a keyboard when hooked up to a host machine, so open your favorite app and hit "Send" and the text is put in wherever you want it; connects via ADB, PS2, and USB. The only additional feature I've ever wished for was a VI interface on it to speed up some editing proceedures.

    I highly recommend any freelance writer, journalist, novelist, student, etc. take a look at the device. They have a newer model running PalmOS for those who might be interested as well (no Linux, yet).
  • agreeing by kipple (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:16PM
  • BBEdit on the Mac by napdawger42 (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:18PM
  • Yep, he nailed it by LoFat ByLine (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:18PM
  • For All those saying "Use Notepad!" (Score:3, Informative)

    by wray (59341) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:18PM (#7036371)
    My main two reasons to avoid it are:

    1. Search / Search Replace are terrible. To search you are required to bring up a new window and is not very featureful (regex, incremental search, etc). Replace is equally or more lacking.

    2. Undo is only one step.

    Both of these things are in emacs and vim. Emacs and vim are ported to nearly every platform in existence, and both emacs and vi, can also serve many other purposes besides writing text like programming, publishing (w/ latex, nroff, etc.), letters, mail, and news.

  • I have to agree by bbourqu (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:18PM
  • Fonts by vasqzr (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:22PM
  • oh boy! an Artiste! by foxyvoxy (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:22PM
  • Okay, I'm at least a semi-pro writer (one published book, contributing editor for DV Magazine). And I think folks are completely missing how to use Word correctly, and its strengths. I'll be talking about Word for Mac v.X here. Even though Office XP is quite capable, I can't stand the way that they put icons in the left of the menus. Plus there's no better to write than with a laptop in the lap, leaning back in the Aeron, feet on the desk keeping the beat with NoFx.

    Back around '89 when I first got Word 4.0 on my Mac SE, I did procrastinate by too much formatting. But I got over it! The key is just to define your standard template. Get that template down, and you're writing object-oriented with styles. Understanding how to use styles and tabs is critical to efficient Word use. Instead of doing it spaghetti-code style with formatting applied directly to units of text, build the right design for each style, and religiously only use styles. If you need to change the style later, it's changed in all instances. Much, much easier.

    I NEVER mess with formatting when writing articles anymore, since my standard template has my styles all set up the way I want them.

    The real strength of Word is that it lets you deal with your content in a variety of modes. I actually write all my first drafts in Outline mode now, so I can see and tweak the overall structure. This means I don't need to write linearly, like a typewriter is required. I can write what I'm inspired to write that moment, skip back to get terms used later defined in the appropriate place, and that kind of thing. And since the outline headings are styles, formatting concerns just disappear into the background. And because, the structure is always visible, it's much easier to remember what you intended to do, and to pick up on structural errors in my original plan for the piece.

    When I'm editing, especially someone else's work, I use Normal mode. Thus I'm not distracted by where page breaks are and that kind of thing. Just the text.

    Page Layout mode I use rarely. Word isn't designed for any kind of detailed layout. Still, it's nice to see where the page breaks fall before going out to PDF or anything. But I'll just import into InDesign if I need fine control.

    So, big picture:

    Use Styles to make structure, not formatting, central.

    Use the right viewing mode for the stage of your project.
  • thumbwriting by perler (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:26PM
  • WYSIWYG considered Harmful by shadowpuppy (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:28PM
  • I think YHBT by ru$ty (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:30PM
  • Crimson Editor by JudgeJackson (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:32PM
  • Relating this to music... by FromWithin (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:35PM
  • Arthur C. Clarke by UrGeek (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:41PM
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  • What about outlining? by tomem (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:41PM
  • Loving vi by Onan The Librarian (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:48PM
  • Writing on Writing by cyranose (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:50PM
  • Neal Stephenson came to much same conclusion by kfg (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:52PM
  • ced/cygnus editor by hpavc (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:53PM
  • VIndicated AT LAST!!!!! by MagikSlinger (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:54PM
  • Personally, I use Quark by noewun (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:01PM
  • Wow..... by NerveGas (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:01PM
  • Speedscript and Geos by Disoculated (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:03PM
  • . . . and WordPad? by billeger (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:06PM
  • Ed, Man! by rhetland (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:06PM
  • Three things that make vi even better by Dante (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:20PM
  • User Interface by sjames (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:24PM
  • Low tech writing implements (Score:3, Informative)

    by ortholattice (175065) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:25PM (#7037157)
    I use pens and pencils a lot for marking things up, making notes, and even scribbling rought drafts when I'm inspired away from a computer. No one seems to discuss this much, but anyway here are my personal preferences.

    I've tried dozens of different kinds of pens over my lifetime, and the one that I've settled on and now insist on is the inexpensive Pilot EasyTouch Medium Point ball-point (the Fine Point is good too, but not quite as smooth). It is the smoothest writing instrument I've found, whether ball-point, roller-ball, gel, fountain pen, or whatever. And it always just seems to work; it doesn't dry on me and require those scribbles to get the ink flowing after several days of non-use, like other ball-points. Strangely it doesn't seem to be a standard stock item and I have to special order it from Staples. The blue color seems slightly smoother than red or black, but that may be subjective.

    As for pencils, for years I used to use a Pentel P205 .5mm, but recently I've come to prefer the Staedtler 9505 .5mm. An advantage is that it doesn't have that frustrating slippage in the last 1/4" of lead that you end up throwing away. I also like a very soft lead (2B) because it writes dark with little effort. But that's just me - it takes getting used to because the lead is so fragile, and other people sometimes get frustrated when I lend it to them, breaking the lead over and over because they're used to pressing hard.

    • P205 by metamatic (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @08:35AM
  • While we're on the subject... by mrphrtq (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:26PM
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  • BBEdit by repetty (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:30PM
  • The writer's choice by charlie (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:35PM
  • More technical pushes for simplicity (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Lulu of the Lotus-Ea (3441) <mertz@gnosis.cx> on Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:35PM (#7037277)
    (http://gnosis.cx/)
    When I wrote my Ph.D., I used the still quite excellent WordPerfect 5.1, for the most part. However, for better or worse (mostly for worse), I did wind up finishing it in WordPerfect for Windows (I think 6.1). At least the file formats were compatible, but in retrospect I should have stuck with the text screen (unfortunately, I recall that OS/2 actually ran the Windows version a bit better than the DOS one at the time though). FWIW, you can read that at: David Mertz Disseration, WordPerfect version [gnosis.cx]; or since WP compatibility isn't so widespread nowadays: PDF page style [gnosis.cx] and PDF book style [gnosis.cx]. Back in those days, I wrote about PoMo philosophy and the like.

    Flash forward a few years. Now I am a writer about computer programming. And mostly because of that transition, I absolutely cannot stand to write anything other than plain text. Well, almost plain text, I have my own little variant called "smart ASCII", which uses just a few of the conventions that email and Usenet often use: *bold*, -itals-, and so on.

    In fact, I have written hundreds of articles, tutorials, and the like about programming [gnosis.cx] (for well-known publishers like IBM, Intel, O'Reilly, etc.), all in plain text. My book Text Processing in Python [gnosis.cx] is written the same way.

    Well... once in a while I am compelled to use something awful like MS-Word--or something that exports to it, like AppleWorks or OpenOffice--but I hate doing that. It is tools that convert my smart ASCII into formats like HTML, XML, LaTeX, PDF, and so on. But those tools come at the end of the process. After I put the words down, then is the time to worry about niggly details like fonts, layouts, and so on... all in a way that is far more consistent than a wordprocessor is likely to produce. My book, for example, has been praised as particularly attractive typographically... I did all the preparation myself, by eschewing all the GUI nonsense that gets in the way during writing. David Mertz

  • Simplicity is cool, but vi is too simple by doom (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:41PM
  • Weird, if reassurring by Angst Badger (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:41PM
  • vi "view"? by tunesmith (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:45PM
  • The tools of the writer's trade. by Elf Sternberg (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:45PM
  • K5 by a20vertigo (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:50PM
  • What is it with the //e? by melatonin (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:56PM
  • On other platforms. . . by bplipschitz (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:56PM
  • Bug in BeOS word processor, or dumb user? by zapp (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:58PM
  • A beautiful composition environment by The Revolutionary (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @03:58PM
  • As for producing real, useable output, by bplipschitz (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:11PM
  • Nobody is forcing you to use the features by Nino the Mind Boggle (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:12PM
  • The Leo Programmer's Outliner and Editor by heydan (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:21PM
  • Yeahwrite by richieb (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:26PM
  • Command Line Mind by zeasier (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:28PM
  • Good choice by dh003i (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @04:51PM
    • Re:Good choice by nagora (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @04:27AM
  • More than a little scary... by TygerFish (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @05:04PM
  • Writing... by softspokenrevolution (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @05:14PM
  • So he's a Luddite... big deal... by Serapth (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @05:18PM
  • Its also about the machine you write on -PCs stink by rogerborn (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @05:43PM
  • The network is my favorate tool by interstellar_donkey (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @05:57PM
  • Not a retreat by fm6 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @05:59PM
  • I think you all missed the point - KISS by Roadkills-R-Us (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @05:59PM
  • ST Writer, Transwrite, TextEdit by Zobeid (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @07:00PM
  • Vi! Vi! Viiiiii! Mwahahahahaaha!!!! by The OPTiCIAN (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @07:25PM
  • What is all this noise? by agendi (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @07:28PM
  • Different writing implements for different styles by LucidityZero (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @07:59PM
  • amen! and have some xml with your vi. by SanityInAnarchy (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @08:07PM
  • writers read /. ? by iammaxus (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @08:09PM
  • Four Simple Rules, in order... by IBitOBear (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @08:25PM
  • for a simple Windows word processor by alizard (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @08:54PM
  • Abiword, anybody? by Fantastic Lad (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @09:26PM
  • Disappointing... by Theory of Everything (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @10:26PM
  • a technophobe tale by swell (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @10:41PM
  • Older School Than Thou by SoupIsGood Food (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @10:57PM
  • What Knuth does (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Phronesis (175966) on Tuesday September 23 2003, @11:08PM (#7040587)
    Here is a description of Donald Knuth's writing process, as related by one of his students in Mathematical Writing [cs.uu.nl] (p. 14):
    His first copy is written in pencil. Some people compose at a terminal, but Don says, "The speed at which I write by hand is almost perfectly synchronized with the speed at which I think. I type faster than I think so I have to stop, and that interrupts the flow."

    In the process of typing his handwritten copy into the computer he edits his composition for flow, so that it will read well at normal reading speed. Somewhere around here the text gets TeXed, but the description of this stage was tangled up with the description of the process of rewriting the composition. Of course, rewriting does not all occur at any one stage. As Don said, "You see things in different ways on the different passes. Some things look good in longhand but not in type."

  • All this talk by iq in binary (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @12:05AM
  • Simplicity is divine by artymiak (Score:1) Wednesday September 24 2003, @01:52AM
  • Outline mode by Jaq (Score:1) Wednesday September 24 2003, @01:56AM
  • Why not use a Text Editor like UltraEdit? by zridling (Score:1) Wednesday September 24 2003, @02:55AM
  • What about a bit of a compromise? by the_womble (Score:1) Wednesday September 24 2003, @05:19AM
  • Sadly, for resume writers, MS-Word is essential by walterbyrd (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @07:57AM
  • Vi? by Hard_Code (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @08:07AM
  • WordPerfect by slagish666 (Score:1) Wednesday September 24 2003, @09:07AM
  • Looks like you're writing a eulogy! by Benwick (Score:2) Wednesday September 24 2003, @10:22AM
  • Re:Umm... by pleasetryanotherchoi (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:50PM
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  • Re:Maybe an HTML-like editor is what's needed by mrmoo1231 (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @01:52PM
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  • Re:completely in agreement by O2dude (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:00PM
  • Re:This article is too fucking long by generationxyu (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:02PM
  • Re:Article -1 Flamebait by Le Marteau (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:09PM
  • Yes. by Trillan (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:15PM
  • Re:Lowest Common Application by zpok (Score:1) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:36PM
  • Re:Why are most writers luddites? by GeoGreg (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @02:47PM
  • Re:Minimalism! by mabhatter654 (Score:2) Tuesday September 23 2003, @05:38PM
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