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Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:5, Insightful)
Chrome prompts for a folder to put the bookmark in, so I make sure the bookmark goes in the right folder when I create it. The option I chose was 'Never' because with this system, I never have to organize them explicitly since they always organized as soon as they are created.
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:2, Interesting)
My massive brain prompts me to put bookmarks in folders, so the same is true for me, even though I use a Mozilla browser.
It helps that I keep a set of folders in the bookmarks toolbar, and store everything in one of those folders, so it's usually just a matter of dragging and dropping.
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:3)
Good idea; several others in later comments as well.
I got used to bookmarks, have several thousand (yeah, ok, I read a lot, am not all that mobile, can't afford to get out much, and memory sucks) and have maybe 75 sites in Opera's speeddial. I used to organize them episodically as need arose or enthusiasm allowed.
Before I ditched Windows I used for years an excellent bookmark manager, Linkstash. It had tags, color coding, comments, and made it easy to sync favorites amongst several browsers, and export in various formats - very handy app. Also, it could check for deadlinks.
If I'd remember to use my Win virtual machine for browsing, I'd use it again. But mostly I work from the one desktop, don't even use different workspaces; and using a separate OS instance for browsing would require getting meself organized....
Missing option: Which browser (Score:2)
In Opera, I have nested lists of bookmarks probably well over a thousand. Alas, some have not been visited for a while, and may be defunct - I just tested "Astronomy/Equipment/Film Test" and got a 404 page. The bookmarks get organized rarely, and purged only when some site has been unresponsive for quite a while.
Firefox is mostly used by my wife, and I have only a vague idea what bookmarks she actually uses from the thousand or so that are there.
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:4, Insightful)
I do the same. It's not adding bookmarks that is a problem, but removing the ones you don't need or don't exist anymore.
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:3)
You are collecting dead bookmarks.
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:4, Funny)
I see dead bookmarks all the time.
Phil
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:2)
In Soviet Russia bookmarks organize YOU!
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:2)
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:3)
Not really, no. When I click on a bookmark which directs to a dead page, I just delete it. XMarks syncs across all my devices, no need to do anything.
Yes, really, yes (Score:2)
Not really, no. When I click on a bookmark which directs to a dead page, I just delete it.
In other words you feel the need to remove bookmarks for unused/dead sites.
The rest of us with other browsers are doing the same thing.
You never ever ever ever decide that a folder has too many items and needs subfolders? Really?
Re:Yes, really, yes (Score:2)
Again, not really, no. Te only folder that has more bookmarks that fit on my screen is "funstuff", with funny links, and i usually scroll down or right-click, then click "bookmark manager" to see all the links with scrollbars and everything.
All else is pretty well organized, and for example I don't link to a specific article but rather to the website containing that article.
Finally, I ave a bookmark folder called "Temporary" where much of my "I gonna read this later" stuff goes. Then, once it's read, it either finds a permanent place or goes away.
Re:Yes, really, yes (Score:2)
Nitpicker.
Get a fucking life. Of COURSE there are exceptions, but so rare that they become negligible. Until some retard comes along and points them out.
Once every 3 months is as good as "never" unless you treat people like machines. You'd fit right in with the kind of manager who yells about an expense report being off by 0.02 USD while thousands of dollars are being siphoned out from his budget through other means.
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:2)
So does Firefox, and I would assume also IE, although I'm not going to bother to open it up to test it out. This is really the option I would have chosen had it been available. Instead, I chose "never".
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:2)
Tis. Mark as insightful, please. XMarks + clean folder structure and you don't need to "organize" anything. It's organized already.
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:2)
Chrome prompts for a folder to put the bookmark in, so I make sure the bookmark goes in the right folder when I create it. The option I chose was 'Never' because with this system...
Wouldn't "Constantly" have been a better option then?
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:5, Insightful)
I would argue no. I think of organizing as bringing order to chaos, not keeping an already established order.
For example, if my bookshelf is organized first by author and then by title, and every time I buy a new book and place it on the shelf I just add it in where it belongs, then I wouldn't say I organize my bookshelf every time I buy a new book. I would just say my bookshelf stays organized, and that I just maintain the existing order.
However, if my bookshelf had no order and I sat down and arranged the books by author and then title, then I would say I organized the bookshelf.
In more relevant-to-the-discussion terms, I would only count organizing bookmarks as bringing up the bookmark manager, which I never have to do (Never meaning haven't used it since I adopted this system).
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:1)
This assumes a bookmark fits into one and only one folder. This is rarely the case. Which is why I prefer TagSieve, which allows you to tag your bookmarks with multiple tags, where tags are equivalent to folders. It also has a nice "tag cloud" display. Make things much easier and nicer to find, and doesn't cripple you with being only a tree hierarchy.
What is seriously annoying and completely unacceptable about all bookmark systems tough, is that bookmarks...
1. aren't files in *actual* directories. (You know, Unix philosophy: everything is a file.) So you can’t process them with shell scripts and can't use them anywhere else. Which is a kind of lock-in. A really stupid, lazy one.
2. don't link to actual XPaths or anchors *within* the document.
The first can be solved, by simply dragging the links / tabs / url bar into a directory, to create a link file.
The second one would require a add-on and/or Xanadu functionality. I don't know of any such add-on.
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:2)
1. aren't files in *actual* directories. (You know, Unix philosophy: everything is a file.) So you can’t process them with shell scripts and can't use them anywhere else. Which is a kind of lock-in. A really stupid, lazy one. 2. don't link to actual XPaths or anchors *within* the document.
The first can be solved, by simply dragging the links / tabs / url bar into a directory, to create a link file.
1. IE uses real folders and files, so oddly IE is more open in this respect (cue gasps of amazement)
2. I have several bookmarks set to anchors, most of which work. Those that don't are because the anchor was removed from the page. But you're right about XPaths though.
Re:Missing option: In Real-Time (Score:2)
The option I chose was 'Never' because with this system, I never have to organize them explicitly since they always organized as soon as they are created.
I organize mine at creation time as well. Yet, I chose "Constantly" since the state of my bookmarks is "Always Organized". Que sera sera.
I synch them though (Score:4, Informative)
As I use Chrome, I synch my bookmarks between several computers, phone and tablet. This has its ups and downs.
That I can get to a site whatever I am using is good but having 100's of bookmarks is OK on a PC with a nice big screen but it gets a bit confusing on my phone. Sometimes too there is a mobile link (like here) that is better for the small screen. So I have multiple links for the same site.
I do the tidying up from the PC. Even a 7" tablet screen is too small to do this.
Re:I synch them though (Score:2)
Fortunately mobile Chrome segregates synced bookmarks from the desktop ones, so I don't find it's an issue.
Never ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Never ... (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah I find bookmarks pretty useless as well.
I primarily use url auto completion.
E.g. to pull up Slashdot I don't touch my mouse. I press Ctrl-T for a new tab, type 'sl' then hit enter and Slashdot appears.
Bookmarks can't beat 4 keystrokes I can do faster than even if Slashdot was on a bookmarks bar.
Re:Never ... (Score:3)
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
Personally, I have autocomplete disabled except for bookmarked sites. Then I just spam bookmark whenever I need to remember a page and I never really bother organizing them because the only way I ever access them is through autocomplete.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
I click twice, you press three keys.
On a freshly installed machine, I still click twice, you will have to type the full name.
Re:Never ... (Score:3)
Move hand to the mouse, position cursor, click, reposition cursor, click. Not necessarily faster than I can do 4 keystrokes.
Depends if you usually have your hand on the mouse or the keyboard. For me its the keyboard, for you it could be the mouse.
Oh and any good syncing service would do your history as well as bookmarks.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
Of course you don't "reposition" your mouse when typing the URL, you can just type it anywhere... Please... relevant arguments only.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
For Christ's sake, so you open a new tab EVERY TIME you access a new site? How far can you go with retarded arguments, I wonder?
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
I agree that for you it would be more efficient to use the keyboard and so on, and so forth. It depends a lot on what you do and how you do it. My job requires me to use the mouse a lot, so obviously I will keep one hand on the mouse more that you, for example. I also use a lot of bookmarks to certain parts of sites (e.g. knowledge base, in form of http://my.knowledgebasestuff.tld/java/installation [knowledgebasestuff.tld] or http://my.knowledgebasestuff.tld/OBIEE/configuration [knowledgebasestuff.tld]) which would not really work when typing them in the URL bar, because when I type "my.kn" I will get dozens of history entries which might or might not contain what I am looking for.
Most of the webapps I use at work are in this form (rootURL/category/subcategory/...) and my bookmarks help me get there fast and efficiently. URL bar won't.
Also many of these URLs are used maybe once a week, so it makes no sense to keep them open and create new tabs all the time. Another reason is that due to many similar URLs (and retarded webpage titles, e.g. "My Knowledge Base - Java - Installation" - which I have no control over), I would get lost in a thicket of tabs and spend more time looking for the correct tab out of 50 than I would spend having 5-8 tabs open and re-using most of them.
I never said mouse is superior. I said my two clicks beat 3 chars entered, from my perspective. From someone else's perspective, it might be quite the other way around.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
Good catch, didn't know this one.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
GAH no, tabbed browsing all the way.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
Agreed, I use a new window when I have online documentation (help pages) which I need to read while doing something in a web application. But usually when I click on the help button in said web application, it opens a new window anyway. Then I move it around with Win+arrows.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
Oh a freshly-installed machine, there's already going to be a Slashdot bookmark?
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
Yes. Because Chrome, once you install it and log in, will synchronize all your bookmarks, extensions and configuration. I re-installed my OS on my home PC and Google Chrome added XMarks automatically, I logged in there and all my bookmarks appeared.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
Assuming you set up some sort of web sync from a previous install?
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
This sounds like some sort of "magic" that requires you not doing a true clean install, or migration from a different browser, or pre-configuration of some cloud service or something.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
No, it's simple, actually. http://www.techpluto.com/how-to-backup-google-chrome-passwords-and-bookmarks/ [techpluto.com]
"Google Chrome’s In-built Sync Feature: This bookmark and password synchronization feature has been integrated in the Google Chrome browser for quite a time now. In this method, you just need to have a valid Google account and a computer having Google Chrome."
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
It's far from "two clicks on a fresh install," though. You have to login on the fresh machine, which your link says takes 4 clicks, plus entering your user credentials (presumably another 15-30 keypresses). And you had to set all this up on the old machine, too.
He probably won't even have to type the whole url if he does it in the search bar and the auto-complete takes off. I just cleared all my cache etc. and "slashdot" is the 4th result for "sla."
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
And after 100 accesses, my method wins in effectiveness overall. Also my method works for ALL other sites I access, his is slightly more effective in the short term and only for ONE URL.
Are we done with retarded reasons?
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
Hey, you're the one that said "2 clicks clean," which is patently false. Bookmark syncing wasn't really in the original question, and seems somewhat beside the point.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
For various definitions of 'freshly-installed', yes.
The /. bookmark is there, along with other bookmarks, browser permissions, pref's,browser extensions and add-ons, I can even have saved passwords ready to go. :-)
I use Firefox, and one of my 'must have' extensions is "febe" (Firefox Extension Back-up Extension), and it allows me to have my browser consistent on all computers, and OS's that have Firefox available. YMMV
I have a Kubuntu 11.04 live cd running from a USB stick with Firefox installed, and a USB stick with FirefoxPortable...both with febe.
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
I'll have to look into that. I used XMarks briefly but it had a tendency to eat my bookmarks about once a week...
Re:Never ... (Score:4, Informative)
If you bookmark things Chrome and most other browsers will search them when you enter search terms into the address bar. It helps when the site is obscure and on the 3rd or 4th page of results.
Re:Never ... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Never ... (Score:4, Interesting)
I do that, then when one browser became a mess I'd move to the next for a clean start. Having gone around Firefox -> Chrome -> Opera -> Firefox, I clear firefox. If I haven't looked in that long, I probably don't care anymore. Next clear Chrome, and so on. This way you can always get back to a previous state. It's not about history it's about the state of mind I had when the browser was open. A sort of brain save function, if you will...
Re:Never ... (Score:2)
Firefox = searchable tags (Score:2, Interesting)
Use Firefox. Use tags. Use search.
I Never book mark and have not for years. (Score:2)
My browsing is limited to a few key sites that I know hoe to type into the address bar; for all other information, there is Google. If I "need" to find a website again in the future, the URL is usually linked to my desktop.
Otherwise, my browser history is a useful tool.
Local start-up page (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Local start-up page (Score:3)
I just use a local start-up page (in HTML) for the most commonly used links, organized in the way I want.
I generate a startup/home page from my bookmarks file. It's not well organized, but that doesn't matter; the important stuff is at the top and I can just do a text search for other things. (And of course much of the time I google for things, or jump via Wikipedia.)
Re:Local start-up page (Score:2)
Never (Score:1)
I don't even have to use bookmarks, because Firefox has a powerful search function for the browser history. I do bookmark things that are especially useful, just in case I need to export them later.
Why bother with bookmarks? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Why bother with bookmarks? (Score:2)
I do this for all my common sites; first couple of letters and autocomplete gets me where I want to go from history; saves a whole ton of effort syncing bookmarks between disparate browsers on different pcs and devices.
I stopped using bookmarks for everything else when I discovered evernote; why bookmark some short URL to a site you'll forget about, when you can just clip the section of the page (or the entire thing) you want for future reference, complete with pictures and full text search, with the browser plugin? Now it doesn't matter if the site goes tits up in future, I don't have to remember what google search I did, or even particularly organise the storage of multiple articles about a particular topic (though I can tag them all if I want to), the full text search even OCR's the images, so searching for a keyword or two is a breeze. The new(ish) Clearly plugin that strips out the formatting crap and usually gets the full text out of multipage articles is just icing on the cake.
Re:Why bother with bookmarks? (Score:2)
You obviously don't have many sites or pages that you might want to go back to. I have 98 pages of links if I view them as a single file. The awesome bar like most MS Clippy technology is designed for the average, which leaves 50% of us needing more.
Re:Why bother with bookmarks? (Score:3)
Get caught? (Score:2)
Re:Get caught? (Score:2)
Well, I have heard that the limits of kink know no bounds on the internet....so I've heard....yeah.
Oh, that reminds me, it's time for my daily brain scrubbing with bleach and test tube brush!
Re:Get caught? (Score:1)
I remember when the firefox guys added bookmarks to autocomplete. They had to turn it off pretty quick due to the complaints. It turns out some people 'hide' their porn bookmarks in deeply nested folders amongst huge collections of bookmarks much like people used to hide it in a shoebox under the bed.
Only when needed... (Score:3)
Previously, I didn't touch bookmarks... I just never used them or saw any reason to. That changed around Firefox 3, when Mozilla introduced that god damn "Awesome" (NOT) bar. At that point, because the location bar was now worthless, I was pretty much forced to create and maintain my own set of bookmarks. Now, my bookmarks are organized into somewhat-logical groups, and I often add new bookmarks directly to where I want them to go. For some less important ones I'll just add to the main directory and organize later. I have no bookmark organizing schedule... I just organize them whenever the hell I feel like it.
Re:Only when needed... (Score:2)
I did learn to "configure" it. It required setting up bookmarks, if you'd read... something that I used to get by just fine without until that damn bar was introduced.
Chrome (Score:2)
When I want to go to one of my favorite sites, I just open Chrome, and start typing what I want. Usually, within 2-3 characters, it fills in the URL that I'm looking for. Who needs bookmarks?
Firefox makes it similarly easy to get around.
top sites (Score:3, Insightful)
no safari users? (Score:2)
Re:no safari users? (Score:2)
Missing option: Google (Score:2)
Mixture (Score:2)
I have about 100 bookmarks on two toolbar rows... Favicons only. It's a great example of both reflexively knowing where each site's mark bookmark is.
I still use search and URLs frequently, though.
Re:Mixture (Score:2)
Err.. /s/both //
And by mixture, I meant to note that I keep those favicons organized, but my other hundreds of bookmarks which live in the menu are largely unsorted.
Never (Score:1)
I bookmark things that I need at the time, and then never reference them. Isn't that what everyone else does? Or do they actually go back to them
Bookmarks are a weak data model (Score:2)
Mind you, I can't think of a better alternative but there's something inefficient about them. Especially with Mozilla's high-maintenance UI. Personally, I think I'd be happy with bookmarks separated into an easy-to-populate short list of favorites (like Mozilla's favorites home page) and a disposable link bucket where I can save a link I had trouble finding, but remove it as soon as I access it again.
Never (Score:2)
I stopped bothering with bookmarks back in the Netscape days. It got to be pointless. You'd spend hours organizing your bookmarks and the next day you fire up the browser and they are all just gone....
I used to try to make a backup of my bookmarks, but eventually just stopped trying. Why bookmark when you can just start typing the url you are looking for in your browser bar and then just hit enter when it autocompletes.
I wish Firefox had a feature for private browsing bookmarks. I know that would defeat the purpose, but honestly, unless you are browsing something you want private anyway, you never need bookmarks. Its only those nice media sites that are not in your history and you don't visit often enough that I ever wish I had bookmarked. Of course, those are the very sites you can't bookmark.... :)
Defies organization (Score:2)
I have bookmarks that I created back in the Netscape 3 days (Slashdot being one of them!)
The amount of them almost defies organization, so I have to organize and clean sections of them every now and then one section at a time.
So many people here saying they just use Google for everything. I guess they are lucky they don't have to deal with locations that aren't indexed by Google for varying reasons, such as being intranet or requiring authentication to get at. Or having to wade through 121,437,942 search results again. And having a bookmark laying around gives me the chance to try and retrieve a site with archive.org long after the server has gone and Google has forgotten it ever existed.
And why let a third party company know what sites you are browsing if you don't need do? Oh, right we love our corporate overlords and they can do no evil.
Re:Defies organization (Score:2)
Re:Defies organization (Score:2)
"I have bookmarks that I created back in the Netscape 3"
Same here. I have just realized that a few folders in my bookmarks were not accessed in the last 7 years. Some bookmarks have outlived several PC upgrades without being visited even once!
Never... (Score:2)
When I'm bored... (Score:1)
Bookmarks ? Do these still exist ? (Score:3)
Netvibes (Score:1)
Speed-dial (Score:2)
Went with rarely (Score:2)
Missing option: Tag and forget (Score:2)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Firefox Awesome bar--click the star, add any keywords you can imagine yourself being likely to type, and let it auto-file it in Unsorted Bookmarks. I used to keep all the important stuff in the bookmarks toolbar but unless it's a really weird url, I just start typing the beginning.
as needed (Score:2)
I may go months without a change (other than adding) then make changes daily for weeks. I make a change when I decide "something's in the wrong place" or lot's of things belong together or a folder has gotten too many bookmarks. If that involves creating a new folder, the effect may cascade as other folders shrink and get removed or combined until everything feels right again. But I don't do it all at once.
Why organize them? (Score:2)
I just start typing what I want.
Typically if it's bookmarked chrome will autocomplete it as I type.
Same thing on my phone, I just start typing the app/contact name into the google search bar.
Also with google drive, I'm either in "recent" or search, it's faster and easier than navigating a directory structure.
I have a layout/tree, but that's basically habit as opposed to any functional reason.
When I add new bookmarks (Score:2)
I always sort new bookmarks into their appropriate place when I make them. After that, there's no more need to organize my bookmarks.
Bookmark but rarely access by menu. (Score:2)
While I may have a large number of bookmarks I rarely use the bookmarks menu. So I also rarely organize them.
News sites many times have RSS feeds I stick in my Bookmarks Bar and check from there. Many of my other favorite sites I have bookmarked but then assign keywords of two or three letters to I just type in the address bar instead. I have two dozen different Quick Searches set up in Firefox so I don't have to visit the home page of search engines and have been able to clear the search box from my browser, too by doing that.
Add to that the Awesome Bar pulling results from history and bookmarks when I type and I finding navigating the Bookmarks menu slow by comparison.
Don't Use 'em (Score:2)
1. Pages that are open all the time, every day. Chrome auto-opens all of them any time it restarts.
2. Pages that aren't open all the time, but that I use often enough to know the first three or four letters of the URL, and let auto-complete fill in the rest.
3. Google it.
Browser bookmarks??? (Score:2)
So, why the heck should i use such a stupid idea as bookmark? And just make the picture, why should i use any cloud service too? So anyone could go and dig it, and delete it even!!!
My way is the best, just register your own site, and install some nice, good looking, browser and device independant bookmark manager, and voila, all your problems solved. Just like this one: http://my.sitebar.org/integrator.php?lang=en_US [sitebar.org]
Floppies (Score:2)
Organize them once (Score:2)
Re:FF taking a while to restore sessions now. (Score:2)
Re:FF taking a while to restore sessions now. (Score:2)
Re:FF taking a while to restore sessions now. (Score:2)
Re:FF taking a while to restore sessions now. (Score:2)
Re:FF taking a while to restore sessions now. (Score:2)
Re:FF taking a while to restore sessions now. (Score:2)
I concur with this.
On my 900Mhz 1GByte RAM netbook I have anywhere from 20-40 tabs open at once. A little slow due to the shit specs of the system, but not unusably slow. Tends to get wonky when I have two or three things using Flash, though. But I can't remember the time the entire browser in its entirely has crashed. I do use Adblock to prevent things like 20 flash ads popping up every time I go to a new site and such.
Re:Never - I have like 5 and then I'm done (Score:1)
Sites you visit irregularly
Yet need at times most definitely
May not be well-indexed
By our friends who're Googleplexed
Worse can be their site layout, you see
In it's layout quite ungainly
For these reasons I've oft remarked
Be wise with your links, have them bookmarked!
Re:I use chrome (Score:2, Interesting)