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Posted by jamie on Monday April 14 2003, @02:14PM
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On Saturday night, Virgil and Acidus, two young security researchers, were scheduled to give a talk at Interz0ne II on security flaws they'd found in a popular ID card system for universities. It's run by Blackboard, formerly by AT&T, and you may know it as OneCard, CampusWide, or BuzzCard. On Saturday, instead of the talk, attendees got to hear an Interz0ne official read the Cease and Desist letter sent by corporate lawyers. The DMCA, among other federal laws including the Economic Espionage Act, were given as the reasons for shutting down the talk (but -- update -- see the P.P.S below). I spoke with Virgil this morning.

Virgil was there two years ago when Dmitri Sklyarov was arrested and led away in handcuffs at Def Con 9. He's not in handcuffs now, but in speaking to me, he had to stop and think about everything he said, and every third answer was "I really shouldn't talk about that."

The DMCA is largely to thank for that. Section 1201 states that no one "shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work," and that no one "shall... offer to the public... any technology" to do so. Blackboard Inc., whose card system is called the Blackboard Transaction System and known to end users under various names, uses a network of card readers and a central server, and they communicate over RS-485 and Internet Protocol -- using, or so they apparently claim, measures that effectively control access.

For the record, none of what I learned about the Blackboard technology was from him or Acidus after the restraining order was sent. I spoke to other people, who have not been served with a restraining order. Google has a less enlightening mirror of the slide titles from this weekend's PowerPoint presentation and a more enlightening mirror of Acidus's "CampusWide FAQ" from last July. And, most enlightening of all, this mirror has an updated version with details on what they figured out how to do and what their talk was going to be about (click "CampusWide" for the text description, the PowerPoint slides, and Acidus's timeline of the last year).

At many schools, Blackboard's system is the ID: you swipe your card for your meal plan at the cafeteria, to get into your dorm, maybe even to get your final exam.

A swipe at a vending machine will get you a soda -- a money transaction from your campus debit account. When you use a swipe to do laundry and make copies, money has to be involved. Blackboard even notes that they can set up a merchant network on- and off-campus: "a cashless, safe, and secure way to transact on and around campus while offering parents the assurance that their funds will be spent within a university-approved network." (Emphasis added. Maybe readers who go to schools that use such a system can expand on how that system is used.)

The kicker, of course, is that this network is not very secure, or at least Blackboard doesn't think it's as secure as... well, as lawyers. One anonymous Slashdot submitter wrote that: "The authentication system is so weak that [Virgil and Acidus] have been able to create a drop in replacement for the CampusWide network debit card readers used on coke machines on campus."

Virgil couldn't provide me any details about what he had learned about the system. Based on the mirrors, it looks like a man-in-the-middle replay attack -- which is a pretty simple attack, repeating messages sniffed over the RS-485 protocol, or even over IP -- can have effects like convincing a Coke machine to dispense free product. Or, it's claimed, the attacker can create a temporary card, with no name attached, and free money in its account. Hmmmmm.

Or, more ominously, someone else's identification might be sniffed, and then replayed from a security terminal. If a thief gained entrance to a building by sending the message "open the door, my name is John Doe," the real John Doe might be sorely inconvenienced the next morning.

So, if you're a student at a school that uses Blackboard, do you feel more secure now that the DMCA has tried to stop you from learning about its security flaws?

If you're a parent putting money into a Blackboard-based debit account, do you feel more confident of its safety now that this information is ostensibly hidden?

This card system has been installed on many campuses and its roots go back almost twenty years. My guess is that replacing the card-reading hardware would be necessary to improve the security of these devices. Obviously, Blackboard would be hard-pressed to replace thousands of hardware devices at all its locations, even if they'd started in late 2001 when Acidus claims he called to tell them of the flaws he'd found (and "was blown off").

So, assuming that's not possible -- is the DMCA a viable tool to ensure security?

P.S. Virgil tells me that he has a good lawyer. They are scheduled to argue on Thursday that the restraining order not be made permanent. Slashdot will keep you apprised of what happens in our Slashback stories... stay tuned.

P.P.S. Update: 04/15 02:30 GMT by J : Now online are the restraining order, which just lists the six things that Acidus and Virgil are not to do, and the more detailed Complaint. Now that these are available, as Declan McCullagh points out, it turns out the DMCA was only in the lawyers' threatening letter and not considered as part of the Complaint itself. I'm not sure why it would be included in the letter -- some of the language of the Georgia Computer Systems Protection Act is similar, and who knows, Section 1201 might be mentioned later on, as this case progresses. Maybe the lawyers are just keeping their options open. Meanwhile, I love this part of the Complaint:

"Mr. Hoffman openly acknowledges on his website that 'I am a hacker.' His website then defends the process of hacking. See Exhibit B."

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  • by RLiegh (247921) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:17PM (#5730091) Homepage Journal
    This in NO WAY implies we live in a police state.
      • Re:No, it doesn't. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 14 2003, @03:39PM (#5730842)
        Hello. Stupid. The corporation is using the law to prevent speech. The law is stopping someone from speaking. A prior restraint, stupid. This is the hallmark of a police state -- laws being used to silence the voice of individuals. Armed thugs will beat the shit out of him if he speaks -- they will attempt to kidnap him, imprison him, and extort money from him for this sin in the guise of arrest, detention, and fines by the police and court system. You have no idea what you are talking about, AC.
        • Re:No, it doesn't. (Score:5, Insightful)

          by nehumanuscrede (624750) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:46PM (#5730377)
          Think of America as the 'politically correct' police state. While the jackbooted-gestapo isn't kicking the door down and beating you. . . (yet) . . . they are instead getting law degrees, dressing in nice suits and suing you. It's much more profitable. It ultimately achieves the same goal. You tend to keep your opinions / comments to yourself.
        • Re:No, it doesn't. (Score:5, Insightful)

          by mickwd (196449) on Monday April 14 2003, @03:22PM (#5730707)
          The trouble is, how can you win a false advertising law suit it no-one is prepared to do the research to find the product is insecure ?

          Interesting, isn't it, in these days of terrorism paranoia, that laws like this ARE going to result in worse security ? Well worse security for the USA, relative to every other country in the world that doesn't (yet) have these sort of laws.
  • Duh... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by c0dedude (587568) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:18PM (#5730099)
    Well, if you aren't even able to TALK about security flaws *Cough*First Amendment*Cough* they'll never get fixed. The DMCA again makes the net less secure instead of more.
      • actually, it does. Thats the point of a free press. An informed public is necessary to maintain ones freedoms, but i guess we already missed the "informed public" boat too early to avoid draconian laws like the DMCA anyhow.
          • by masq (316580) on Monday April 14 2003, @03:14PM (#5730632) Homepage Journal
            So which one of your examples is this? He's not yelling fire in a crowded theater... He originally tried to tell the company their theater was on fire, and when they refused to give a damn, he decided to tell the people inside the theater about the fire.

            That's when they Cease and Desisted him, and told him that the burning theater was their little secret.

            Personally, I'd wanna know, but hey, I'm obviously not normal. Stay asleep if you want, everybody. It's still a free country - but you better check back with me tomorrow just in case.

            ----
            www.whatreallyhappened.com is interesting.
      • Re:Duh... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by BattleTroll (561035) <battletroll2002@yahoo.com> on Monday April 14 2003, @02:26PM (#5730174)
        Ummm, no. If Neo-nazis can parade down the street, hate-mongers can publish their diatribes, crosses can be burnt, and flags defecated on then by God the first amendment should protect academic discussion on security holes and their implications. Teaching someone how to pick a lock is not the same as breaking into Ft. Knox.
  • well (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Meeble (633260) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:20PM (#5730124) Journal
    Pretty soon if will even be illegal to have this article posted since it relates to a story which relates to a specific technology that relates to reverse engineering of a product which relates etc etc - because some people don't know enough tech to be passing laws on it.

    If a default remote control, garage door opener, et al provided the features the consumers :really: wanted there would be no need for me to go buy a universal remote. It's not the consumer's fault the original creator's product doesn't meet people's needs

    I don't know if anyone else saw the >article [securityfocus.com] [securityfocus.com] about the student doing steganography work for his PhD - he's moving all his work offshore because he resides in Michigan and the super-dmca may make 'his whole academic career illegal' - depressing.
    • Re:well (Score:5, Interesting)

      by PCM2 (4486) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:52PM (#5730432) Homepage
      Pretty soon if will even be illegal to have this article posted since it relates to a story which relates to a specific technology that relates to reverse engineering of a product which relates etc etc - because some people don't know enough tech to be passing laws on it.
      Well, once again, this is a case where somebody got hit with a cease and desist. No government action, repeat, no government action was involved with this story whatsoever. A lawyer wrote a letter to a guy, the guy got scared, and chose to curb his own behavior rather than potentially fight the issue in court. (Only potentially, mind you, because the lawyers/company might not have even chosen to pursue the issue, or to involve the DMCA in their case.)

      Yes, the possibility with getting slapped with a huge lawsuit and/or criminal charges is pretty scary. Somewhat scarier, on the other hand, is a society where people comply with the demands of other people even though those other people aren't really authorities at all.

      Police states are pretty bad. Worse, IMHO, is a people governed by the Will of f*cking Landru...

  • by DSL-Admin (597132) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:21PM (#5730134)
    Way to secure the flaw, lets just not talk about the flaws and arrest anyone who says otherwise.

    The sky is Blue!!

    DMCA Official " You must cease to call the sky blue, as it is in violation of what we have said before that the sky is infact not there"
  • by Cutriss (262920) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:22PM (#5730143) Homepage
    So, assuming that's not possible -- is the DMCA a viable tool to ensure security?

    Of course not...the DMCA is a tool that allows companies to safely keep their heads in the sand. Here on Planet Earth, wrapping a towel around your head doesn't *really* make the Ravenous Bug-blatter Beast of Traal go away.
  • by Probius (130206) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:24PM (#5730152) Homepage
    Our school uses blackboard, and last year the machines were shut down for a long time because students used methods to get free stuff out of the snack machines. And I'm not talking cracking a case or making a fake card either. It was really simple too, like swiping really fast after the transaction, if I remember right, and you could get a second item for free. Kinda scary.
  • obviously not (Score:5, Informative)

    by ih8apple (607271) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:24PM (#5730160)
    To answer the question "is the DMCA a viable tool to ensure security?"

    Here's [bbc.co.uk] an article from the BBC [bbc.co.uk].

    and here's a good presentation [treachery.net] from toorcon.

    and lastly, this [itworld.com] is a good article from ITWorld.
  • by Blue23 (197186) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:30PM (#5730214) Homepage
    You know a C&D letter may stop people from disclosing exploits, but will not stop people from disclosing that their are exploits. That's enough for lots of poor, enterprising college students.

    A much better plan would of been to let these guys give their talk, to hire them, fix the problems, and them make a bundle in upgrades to existing customers. Come on, if some of these installations are 20 years old we're not talking much more then maintenance revenue. On the other hand system upgrades, especially when demanded by parents, can net a pretty penny. The colleges could have fund drives, hit up alumni societies, all the normal ways to get money when something unexpected walks through the door.

    Instead the company gets to look like a fool that knows there are security flaws, aren't fixing them and instead are wasting money on laywers, get getting bad press.

    Oh well, I guess there is no such thing as bad press. And that companies would rather think about prestige short term then a better product long term, even if the better product will get them more money.

    =Blue(23)

  • it's over (Score:5, Interesting)

    by HBI (604924) <pelander@[ ]mud.com ['eye' in gap]> on Monday April 14 2003, @02:31PM (#5730221) Homepage Journal
    Time to stop being a geek. I'm getting my pencils and paper back out, doing RPGs that way, and selling off my 7 or 8 computers.

    I can see the writing on the wall just as easily as anyone else. The joy that I got out of these marvelous toys just isn't worth it anymore. It used to be liberating, now it's just torturous. I can think of dozens of ways to get thrown in prison just by playing around with my system at night after work. Tinkering and exploring are forbidden. I'd rather be an insurance guy or something similarly boring then spending part of my life in a 4x6 cell, or even living in fear of same.

    Just proof once again that anytime government gets involved with anything, it sucks all the fun out of it. All in the name of equity and greater corporate profits.
  • by sabinm (447146) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:31PM (#5730230) Homepage Journal
    Surely Acidus and his colleagues informed the Universities about this before they went public with this information. That is of course the most effective way to get the system to change. . . Imagine inviting the Dean of Purchasing and Procurement to a Coke and a Apple pie on campus and using a facsimile of his id and account to pay for it. Or even more fun - - getting a sweet new laptop at the bookstore with a hyper-inflated account balance. Most certainly then Blackboard would think about upgrading their machines. Announcing that you are going to circumvent their digitally encrypted system in public, no less, simply gave Blackboard a way to facilitate their illegitimate hardware and polices and making it legitimate under the cover of an unjust law.

    As my good old Uncle Scrooge always said: Work Smarrrrrterrrr not harrrrrderrrrr
  • Stupid. Typical. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jasenj1 (575309) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:32PM (#5730236)
    If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

    If hacking is outlawed (and talking about it), only outlaws will know how to hack.

    So who do you get to sue if someone makes a dupe of your ID card and raids your campus debit account, or breaks into your dorm room? The school? The hacker? The company that sold the school the lame ID system they claim is secure but is not?

    I would think the schools would like to know why sodas, meals, etc. are disappearing from their supplies. Hmmm.... This Coke machine is empty, but only 5 Cokes were recorded to be bought from it. Hmmm...

    This is the worst kind of security through obscurity.

    - Jasen.
  • by JimBobJoe (2758) <swiftheart@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Monday April 14 2003, @02:44PM (#5730353)
    After I left the Ohio State dorms in 1998 (I'm still a student) the university started to put card readers on the dorm entrances (up to that time either you had a key that opened both your dorm room and the main entrance, or you had two separate keys if you lived in a really big dorm.)

    It does offer some advantages, for instance, all people could be allowed into the dorms at some parts of the day, but other times of the day only people who live in that dorm could gain entry.

    Though there are some interesting caveats

    *the first one, which I didn't really know well at the time, is the fact that making a copy of the card is far easier than making a copy of the key. Remagnetizing magnetic stripes is not the hardest thing in the world.

    *the campuswide system runs off of ethernet to the AT&T9000 computer which administers everything. If a particular door gets disconnected with the central computer, it's default setting is to pretend like everything is normal, and let everyone in, and it has a cache of swipes which it would then transmit back to the central computer when the connection was restored. That seems like a sensible kludge given the circumstances, given a network failure it would be more sensible to allow all in as opposed to all out, especially at a dorm. (Higher security places would have their door failure mode set to allow no one.) On the other hand, as a security concept, it just bugged me. (this is explained in the powerpoint presentations.)

    *my big concern at the time was the tracking and auditing abilities, and it still is. the key system had no tracking and auditing. The swipe system allowed the university to keep a record of when students come into the building (and implicitly, when they go.) I pointed out that Ohio law prohibited a government institution from collecting information which were not authorized by law, nor required to achieve a particular purpose...and that the system need not perform the tracking, it only needed to perform the authorization.

    The response I got was that the system was not designed with a zero tracking/auditing setting, it needed to perform tracking and auditing as part of its authentication mechanism. I pointed out that I can't help that the university bought a dumbass product, and I threatened to sue them, but I was young, and I threatened to sue everyone. :-)

    I got a letter from the university lawyers saying "While we ourselves certainly hope never to need the archived data -- and, fortunately, rarely do -- it can be of unquestionable value in
    investigating incidents in the residence halls. It is for this very reason that similar systems are in use at numerous colleges and universities
    around the country."

    I've however pointed out that any idiot who was gonna do something in the dorms would do what everyone else does, and that is follow someone who swiped before you, and not swipe themselves.

    I still hope to work on this issue at some point. :-)
  • I have a OneCard (Score:5, Informative)

    by Feztaa (633745) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:45PM (#5730363) Homepage
    I'm a student at the University of Alberta [ualberta.ca], and I have one of these OneCards.

    There are various machines around that let you deposit money onto your OneCard, but there is no "university-approved network" of stores that accept the OneCard as payment.

    The OneCard is primarily used for borrowing books from the library, and for operating the photocopiers/printers on campus, and there is exactly one vending machine on campus that allows you to pay with your OneCard.

    As for people living in residence who have meal plans (like me), there's a separate card for that, provided by Aramark [aramark.com]. To get into our dorms, we have keys. Laundry is coin-operated. The OneCard has absolutely nothing to do with the on-campus residences.

    For most finals and midterms, we're required to show our onecards and/or driver's licenses as photo ID, but the OneCards aren't swiped through a card reader or anything, it's just photo ID, nothing more.

    There are restricted areas on campus that you can access by swiping your OneCard and punching in a secret code, but as a first year undergrad, I don't have access to any of those places so I can't say what it's like (though for most of the places that aren't top-secret nuclear research facilities, it's almost trivially easy to get in by walking in when somebody else walks out -- we're friendly here in Canada, generally we hold the door open for people we don't know).

    So, if you're a student at a school that uses Blackboard, do you feel more secure now that the DMCA has tried to stop you from learning about its security flaws?

    Gee, I dunno. This is Canada, there is no DMCA here (as far as I know, anyway). Hopefully some Canadian security researcher will hear about this, and continue the research here...
  • by Scot Seese (137975) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:45PM (#5730367)
    So.

    Instead of fixing the exploit in their keycard system, the company in question finds it easier to have their lawyers drop a house on the students.

    Doesn't "Security through Obscurity" create an environment where persons with malicious intent are free to exercise it?

    The students discovering the security hole = The Good Guys. The knowledge they posses equal a Munition (or, a firearm.) They were not planning to use their knowledge maliciously.

    Essentially the DMCA has turned knowledge into a weapon to be regulated through the legal system. Just be careful what you know, because speaking of it publicly is becoming the 21st century equivalent of pulling a gun out of your pocket at the mall to discuss it's function with another gun enthusiast.

    Of course, we all know the gun paradox. Seriously. Increasingly orwellian gun laws !=less crime. Criminals will always find weapons. On the electronic mean streats, crackers & hackers will always find exploits, but unlike the Good Guys, the Bad Guys won't go to a symposium to divulge the PROBLEM, embarassing the company into FIXING IT. Instead, the Bad Guys will EXPLOIT the FUCK OUT OF IT.

    I'm not a philosopher, psychologist, ethicist or sociologist by profession, but perhaps the DMCA needs to be re-evaluated by a panel consisting of a few. Right now it seems to favor only the government and very, very large corporations. Oh, and it makes learning a criminal act.

    Do you have a permit for your mind?

  • by Animats (122034) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:55PM (#5730471) Homepage
    The Economic Espionage Act of 1996 [cybercrime.gov] is worth reading. It's overly broad, and its definition of trade secrets is broader than that of the Uniform Trade Secrets Act.

    Trade secrets used to be frowned upon by the law. Patents were legally preferable, so that when the patent expired, the knowledge went into the public domain. A trade secret could be lost easily; any publication by anybody erased trade secret status. All trade secret law really did was to put some teeth into confidentiality requirements for employees. It didn't affect outsiders.

    All that has changed in the last decade. Between the Economic Espionage Act, the DMCA, and several court rulings, trade secrets now look more like property rights.

  • DMCA how? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Sloppy (14984) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:57PM (#5730483) Homepage Journal
    Anyone know what the copyrighted content that is protected by this technological measure, could possibly be?

    If it's something within the school, then the makers of the system wouldn't really have a DMCA complaint against researchers; the school (user of the blackboard product) would. (Just as MPAA, not DVDCCA, are the ones who had DMCA complaints when knowledge of bypassing CSS got out. It's the copyright holder of content who gets to use DMCA, not the inventor of a protection mechanism.)

    Assuming the blackboard lawyers actually see a way to use DMCA and aren't just trying to intimidate (hell of an assumption), then the copyrighed content must be some artistic expression within the Blackboard system itself, rather than something the system is intended to protect.

    If the copyrighted expression turns out to just be the serial number on a card, or something like that, then that would be very (*cough*) interesting.

  • by scrotch (605605) on Monday April 14 2003, @03:01PM (#5730517)
    The only sane thing to do is to patent your exploits before you announce them. :)

    Then you have precedence for publishing them, or you just point to the online patent info.

    As a bonus, you can sue the companies that fix the holes you're supporting because they've broken that "shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work" line. After all, your exploit controls access, right? Opening a door is controlling access as much as locking it is.

  • free printing (Score:5, Interesting)

    by strider3700 (109874) on Monday April 14 2003, @03:32PM (#5730780)
    We had the Onecard system at my school. Best hack we found was with the printing system. Insert a card with $30 on it in the machine toy print for $0.10 say this is my print job, wait for it to read amount on card. take out the card and put in a card with $0 on it. hit yes to print. $29.90 will be wrote to the card. Everyone I knew had $100 on the card in no time once we "borrowed" a profs card. We also got to print at half price by taking a copy of his card.

    People also spent time sniffing the one card network, but as far as I know no one had found anything interesting yet. this was 4 years ago, so I'd assume the entire thing is solved by now.
  • by xeno (2667) on Monday April 14 2003, @03:44PM (#5730877)
    As a US citizen, I'm depressed (I should be outraged) at this sad state of affairs. However in-your-face this particular presentation was to be, the stated goal was to expose the flaws of the system through hand-on research & controlled experimentation. Research. It was NOT to distribute hacking tools for actual implementation to facilitate illegal or illicit purposes. But ballsy kids in an academic environment who want to improve the technology and processes that surround them? They're stymied by corporate protecionism ensconsed in federal law. That's sad. It's wrong, immoral, and ultimately ineffectual. But the real tragedy is that it depresses the level of creativity in academia and creates fear for those that think too hard.

    As a security professional, the fact that any cheeseball company can successfully hide their shoddy product behind a federal law is an embarassment. It induces even more cognitive dissonance when I work with federal and state goverment security staff who are well aware of good security principles, and then think about laws such as the DMCA which are diametrically opposed to known-good principles of improving security technology and processes.

    It's a lose-lose proposition: News of an exploit always gets out, and is propogated fastest within the community which has little fear of the DMCA. But invocation of the DMCA causes relatively-innocent people -- those that were willing to stand up and state their names -- to tremble and retreat. As I said: it's wrong, immoral, and ultimately ineffectual. I spend my days educating people about the dangers of security by obscurity, and exposing the risks associated with snake-oil solutions such as Blackboard's "secure" transactions. I'm doing my part to educate as many people as I can, but with Grand Moff Ashcroft at the legal helm of the country (and with US federal/foreign policy changed to match the prosecutorial principles of "pre-crime"), I'm afraid it's like spitting into the Mojave.

    The first time that some predator clones the card of a victim (or a patsy) in order to gain access to a building and rape/murder someone, I wonder... Will the appropriate law enforcement be able to effectively investigate/prosecute such a crime if the computing research community is prohibited from supporting them? Would Blackboard be content to sit on known security flaws and let a patsy get convicted? Again: wrong, immoral, and ultimately ineffectual. It ought to be illegal to *withhold* security flaws, at least from those who depend on/are subject to them. Feh.

    J
    • by Jeffrey Baker (6191) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:19PM (#5730118)
      It is trivial to leak this kind of information. Walk into an internet cafe (or walk by any of millions of open 802.11b network) and upload the information to USENET. Problem solved.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 14 2003, @03:27PM (#5730743)

        Ah, I've often shouted "POST IT ON USENET!" at the television screen whenever there's a movie or x-files/whatever episode where the hero is running away with the evidence/HotInfo trying to keep it from the Evil Conspirators.

        They almost never do.

    • by Marx_Mrvelous (532372) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:23PM (#5730146) Homepage
      Now of course, I wouldn't have had this reaction if the company had taken steps working with the discoverers of the security flaw. If anything, they should hire/pay these researchers for their work, fix the problem, implement it, and then publish what went wrong. And who knows, maybe they even tried. I doubt it though, when a cease-and-desist can have the same effect.
      • by gl4ss (559668) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:41PM (#5730329) Homepage Journal
        chances are that they knew _exactly_ how bad the system was, and maybe just hadn't care when they first made the system, maybe thinking that it would be such niche system or so it wouldn't need to be secure, or maybe it was some other system adapted to use where security would have paid off..
      • by archeopterix (594938) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:50PM (#5730415) Journal
        Now of course, I wouldn't have had this reaction if the company had taken steps working with the discoverers of the security flaw. If anything, they should hire/pay these researchers for their work, fix the problem, implement it, and then publish what went wrong. And who knows, maybe they even tried. I doubt it though, when a cease-and-desist can have the same effect.
        Sadly, the reaction of Blackboard is a big hint to the future discoverers of security flaws: don't even try to contact the company - wear gloves, attach a fake beard, go to an internet cafe, publish your exploits on Freenet, Usenet, foreign haxx0r sites and whatever else comes to your mind, grin evilly (this part is optional).
      • The same kind of thing happened in France. (Maybe it was on /., it was a few years ago...)

        A guy figured out how to manipulate the chip on the smart cards used for credit cards. He contacted whatever company makes the cards to try to get them to hire him. They didn't believe him, so to prove his point he bought about $7.00 worth of metro tickets from an automatic distributor.

        And then what?

        They busted his ass big time. I think it totally destroyed the guy's career, life, etc. Then the company upgraded their encryption...

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 14 2003, @02:25PM (#5730165)
      I wish there were a way to accidentally leak the exacty details overseas. There, it would be very difficult to get shut down, and every college using this system would have to deal with it. While this may be an inconvenience to students, they can get by without buying coke with a swipe of a card for a while.

      Yeah, I wish we had some sort of global communication network where you could instantly and anonymously post a piece of information, and people anywhere in the world could see it. Wouldn't that totally rock?
      • Hey! (Score:5, Funny)

        by Grendel Drago (41496) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:36PM (#5730283) Homepage
        How come we can post Win2k3 serial keys in the slashdot forums, but no one posts how to get phr33 as in c0ke c0kes? Sheesh. What bullshit.

        Come *on*, someone toss a practical exploit in here!

        --grendel drago
          • Re:Hey! (Score:5, Funny)

            by yack0 (2832) <keimel@@@gmail...com> on Monday April 14 2003, @03:41PM (#5730854) Homepage
            From: The law firm of Dewey Cheatem and Howe
            To: mkldev
            Subject: Cease and desist

            Sir/Madam,

            Due to your recent post on the 'news' site 'Slashdot', we issue this cease and desist hereby ordering you to refrain from describing any manner of breaking security methods for refreshment beverage machines. Your suggestion of "...first you take a crowbar..." is in violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.

            or something like that ;)
    • by orthancstone (665890) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:25PM (#5730166)
      Well, going to a school where all my food is purchased by cards and the only way I can get back to my room is controlled by cards, I'd say your statement of "deal with it" is quite silly.

      It is sad to see that the DMCA can be used by a company if it wishes to ignore flaws. It is a sad day knowing that profit is more important than a good product.
      • by NaugaHunter (639364) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:52PM (#5730434)
        Profit has long been more important than a good product. The sad part now is corporations have a law to prevent consumer groups from researching their flaws.

        Does it bother anyone else that copyright violations are given more attention than violent crime? Why can't the same reasoning the vilifies P2P networks since they "could" be used for illegal copies be applied to manufactures of Dum-Dum bullets, Assault rifles, etc.?

        Before rants go off-topic both ways, I'm trying to point out the absurdity of the anti-copyright measures when compared with how other crimes against individuals and not corporations are treated. Laws are being crafted that protect corporations, at the expense of individual rights. My right to not get shot should be a lot more important than a corporations right to make money

        (For the record, I'm not against guns in principle - I'll eat hunted meat, etc. I just don't think you can get a good set of steaks if you hunt with an assault rifle, nor is it really sporting, so I don't see why normal people need them. And in today's world the 'standing militia' argument no longer holds - if our armed forces can't hold off an invasion, we're pretty much boned. You'd have to have lots of forces to be able to get a supply chain for more ammo, and if I remember correctly WWI proved you can't really hold the ground without air superiority, so you'd better build an air strip as well.)
        • And in today's world the 'standing militia' argument no longer holds - if our armed forces can't hold off an invasion, we're pretty much boned.
          The right to organize militia is not intended for defense against foreign invaders; rather, it is to be a defense against a tyrannical government that has gone berserk.

          Sure, that might not happen, a lot of things might not happen; but it's silly to simply throw away one of the most important checks that individual citizens have on the federal government's power, just because there are some idiots out there who are mentally incapable of possessing a weapon without doing harm to innocent third parties.

          By eliminating the right of individual citizens to bear the same firearms that soldiers do, you save a few lives in the short run, and you set us up for a bloody revolution in the long run, when the government decides it's had enough of that "freedom" thing.

    • by dnoyeb (547705) on Monday April 14 2003, @03:11PM (#5730611) Homepage Journal
      Why not flip the proverbial script.

      Just announce that the product has a MAJOR and EASILY EXPLOITABLE security flaw. Then absolutely _refuse_ to give any details on it to the company. Cite fear of the DMCA [and numerous examples] of its enforcement as your reasoning. (+5th amendment)

      Watch their stock take a pounding, and see if they don't fix it themselves. Then they will have to hope you come out and say they fixed it.
      • by Pharmboy (216950) on Monday April 14 2003, @03:39PM (#5730839) Journal
        To comment on your comment, my solution would be somewhat different.

        My solution is pick one university, find a specific solution, and have about 1000 people get free cokes, free lunches, free access, all on one particular day only. Create a financial incentive, but more importantly a social incentive to open up the conversation.

        I am NOT a big fan of breaking the law purely for protest means. (see my many other posts on this subject) However, considering the DMCA itself is a violation of free speech, it may be warranted. Not to rip off large amounts of money, or do serious damage, just nickel and dimed for ONE day where it is OBVIOUS that it is a security breach that can not be overlooked. Then do what you suggested, say you can't tell them how it was done due to DMCA. ('you' being someone who didn't participate but knows how it was done)
      • by Sloppy (14984) on Monday April 14 2003, @03:06PM (#5730551) Homepage Journal
        how_to_get_coke_for_free_at_school.pdf? WTF?!? Are you trying to publish a security analysis, or are you trying to help people commit theft? Some people might draw conclusions about your intent, from that filename. And you might not like how they act in response to those conclusions.
    • by L. VeGas (580015) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:22PM (#5730137) Homepage Journal
      God this world blows... why does the world have to suck so much? i mean it; any serious thoughts?

      Hey, don't blame me. I set you up in a nice garden, and you had to listen to that stupid snake.
      -----
      g0d
    • by nanojath (265940) on Monday April 14 2003, @03:41PM (#5730858) Homepage Journal
      Money and power: these two increasingly interchangeable qualities sum it up.


      Every year more money is spent on political campaigns in the USA. Money, in other words, is an essential requirement for securing election in the USA. The result? Well, look at the percentage of millionaires in Congress versus the general population (http://www.opensecrets.org/pubs/law_wp/wealth06.h tm) - hmm, quite a disparity. there. Now, do we WANT to be led by wealthy individuals? Can we expect them to represent us, as opposed to the tiny percentage of the general population they represent in terms of individual wealth? Of course not. We're trapped in a system where wealth can purchase attention, where wealth is a necessary precursor to a serious bid for winning political power. Anyone who denies this is either a witless dupe or is pushing one of the wealth driven political agendas (hint: there are two of them, brought to you by the letter R and the letter D).


      So, what can we expect the actions of power driven and facilitated by wealth to do? We can expect it to act on behalf of the wealthy and the systems that support them. So why should we experience any surprise when this is exactly what happens?


      The DMCA, for example, represents a simple transaction in this political economy. Intellectual property creates value. Value can be converted into money. The more control people are able to exert over intellectual property, the less it's potential value can be harnessed by its owners to create wealth. It may be true that further restriction of access to intellectual property may impair the absolute value that can be derived from a given pool intellectual property. To those who value intellectual property solely or primarily for the wealth it can generate, this is immaterial. So, the groups that represent the greatest centralized pools of wealth generated by intellectual property transact some of that wealth into political power (by supporting representatives directly and by buying the louder voice on capital hill through lobbyists, by controlling large parts of the media and keeping the issue a non-story in most conventional news outlets, etc.). So, the legislation is passed, and these are the consequences.


      In a rational economic system, the bottom line for a product like Blackboard's swipe cards would be how well they work and security would be part of that. But Blackboard isn't going to think that way - they are thinking about covering their asses and squeezing as much money out of their property as they can and security be damned.


      Without appropriate protections and controls in place to level the playing field where money is concerned, in a context where wealth and power are more and more easily interchanged, it's easy to see that the worse it gets the worse it will get, becuase the very systems we expect to protect us from the undue influence of wealth are themselves increasingly corrupted by wealth, and like a compromised immune system, the more those sytems are corrupted the more curruptible they become.


      As long as people accept the side a/side b black and white polarized view they are provided by the respective representatives of sides a and b - that is to say, as long as the primary beneficiaries of the current system are allowed to define the dialogue within their own terms - it will never get better. If you're still voting democrat cause you're scared of them war mongering, civil rights destroying, business loving loonies or republican because you're scared of those tax and spend, victim culture gun banning freaks, then you are manifestly part of the problem.

    • by evilviper (135110) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:33PM (#5730246) Journal
      If you look at the history of America, these problems get solved after a while. The reason you don't see people marching in the streets is because nobody's life depends on it. Matters of copyright and other such things may take years to be straightened out, but it happens, no death necessary.

      Just recently there have been proposals to amend the DMCA to add some public rights to the equation. They might go somewhere, they might not, but a stable democracy is dependant on changes NOT happening a breakneck speeds.
    • How many more times are we going to hear about the DMCA and the extreem mesures some companies and people will go to use it?

      Probably a couple per week until the damned thing is repealed or struck down.

      When will the DMCA start getting some media attention outside of /.?

      When there are media outside of /. that aren't part of entertainment conglomerates that are pushing the use of the DMCA to "protect" their "content", or by conglomerates that also own proprietary software vendors who are using it to "protect" their software products from reverse engineering, exposure of security flaws, and/or competition.

      The DMCA strikes down a lot of rights that many people hold near and dear. I don't know about the rest of /. readers but I [am] disgusted by the DMCA.

      Your opinion is widely shared.
    • Re:silly response (Score:5, Insightful)

      by st0rmshad0w (412661) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:35PM (#5730273)
      Hmmm, they had better go with option 1.

      Given solution 2, how about this scenario. While C&D is in force and no one is implementing a fix, all users of the systems still remain vulnerable. Someone else figures out how to fake the ID's, uses said fake to gain access to student's dormroom, and commits serious crime against student. Student's parents sue college, college FREAKS and looks to point a finger, original objects of C&D step forward with evidence that security company was informed of the problem and offered help with a solution. College and student's parents sue security company into non-existence.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 14 2003, @02:36PM (#5730285)

      This is a snippet from Acidus' old website. It relates the timeline of events. I hope you enjoy.

      Sorry for posting AC but since this does come from Acidus' website ....

      Spring 2001 - I got interested in the Buzzcard network on Campus. Based on the AT&T logo, I went to the Internet and soon found out about the system. Lots of Web research done, and fieldwork on the connection between the device and the reader. Locked Cabinet with Multiplexes was opened and photo was taken of insides. Determined which wires to cross to make doors open, laundry machines get credited, etc.

      Summer 2001 - Continued exploring the system, called the company (now Blackboard), and interviewed Jim Resing.

      Fall 2001 - With Publishing of my Fortres article, increased last minute field research, and finalized my notes. Called Blackboard again to tell them all the flaws I found, was blown off.

      Spring 2002 - Wrote Article, and was published in Spring 2002 issue of 2600.

      6/2002 - Blackboard learned of my article. The Blackboard Usergroup tried to track me down; finally figuring out I went to Tech, saw my web page and was very upset. Concerns about how accurate my article was are posted by schools around the country to the list-serve. GT tells the list-serve that they are looking into it and they would reply again soon.

      GT Police asks to speak to me to determine if crime was committed. GT Police never file charges and indeed I am told there is no long an investigation. Buzzcard Office conducts internal audit of their systems. I go to Buzzcard office unsolicited to try and assist them in securing their system. They were not happy to see me. Office of Information Technology (OIT) on campus starts a test of the Buzzcard system to see if any of the attacks described in article are valid.

      Buzzcard office asks that I remove picture of inside of the locked cabinet from my web page (since its hosted on GT machines), which I did. Buzzcard center asks me to remove AT&T cached pages, which I refuse to do. (Its not theirs, if AT&T wants it down, they can ask me).

      Buzzcard office reluctant to talk with my about my article, since they don't want to confirm or deny how accurate I was. They do confirm the VTS could be hacked and money can be added to any accounts as I describe. However parts of my article (namely how to clone a card through the VTS), are, they claim incorrect. They ask if I would write a letter for the list-serve that explains what parts were incorrect. I agree as long as my letter will be unedited, and I get to also stress what parts are accurate to let colleges learn what they need to secure. Buzzcard office agrees but continues to cancel my meetings with them and not return phone calls. I am contacted by several colleges that are on the list-serve. They tell me that Tech has all along been posting that they have interviewed me, that my article is totally false. Tech uses such loaded statements as "As any experienced administrator should know, these security holes are not possible." These colleges are concerned Tech is not being truthful, and want to talk to me. I see that the Buzzcard center was stringing me along, and cease my attempts to contact them, or help them fix their pathetic security.

      OIT concludes their investigation, and confirm that everything in my article is correct, except about how to clone a card. Tech does not post these results to the list-serv.

      Dean of Students is involved, and is checking to see if, while no laws were broken, if I broke institute policy.

    • by Frobnicator (565869) on Monday April 14 2003, @02:39PM (#5730307) Homepage Journal
      or should the person go tell the bank so it can fix it?
      They DID try to tell the company, and were "blown off".
      But what if the bank ignores you? Should someone be allowed to convey information about a problem with a system if the system controllers refuse to fix it? I'd still think not - it'd be one thing to state that there is a vulnerability, and that in good conscience could not state what the vulnerability is, and quite another thing to go explaining the vulnerability to everyone else.
      This is something compuer security has had to deal with for quite some time. The normal ethical guidelines are to first contact the vendor and attempt to work with them to find a solution, and release the information once the vulnerability is corrected. If they either ignore it or fail to correct the problem in a reasonable time frame, the consensus is to take the problem to the security experts and users of the security system generally. This is based on the theory that criminals may already have such knowledge, and therefore the users need to know in order to protect themselves.

      Hope that helps with your question.

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