No one has ever taken the formal test. Not one person.
How many have taken the preliminary test? JREF doesn't know -- they're that badly organized.
There have been a few cases reported where JREF has killed applications by requesting changes to the protocol that effectively changing the nature of the claim made by the challenger. That makes for some great posts on the JREF forum, but otherwise hurts the reputation of the challenge itself.
In short: Randi is a fraud. He does a disservice to the skeptical co
No one has ever taken the formal test. Not one person.
That's because nobody has passed preliminary testing.
How many have taken the preliminary test? JREF doesn't know -- they're that badly organized.
Check their web site - they have dozens of writeups on preliminary tests.
There have been a few cases reported where JREF has killed applications by requesting changes to the protocol that effectively changing the nature of the claim made by the challenger.
Reported by whom? I've seen examples where they ask for changes to the claim because the claim was untestable. For example, there was a guy who said he could talk telepathically to aliens. He could describe their homeworld and technology and everything. Of course, he could be making it all up, so they asked him if he could provide anything that could be testable.
Check their web site - they have dozens of write-ups on preliminary tests.
Let's put this to the test. Can you find any of the following (for 2012):
The number of applicants (notarized). The number of applications rejected. The number of applications in process. The number of preliminary tests conducted.
Having trouble? That's because that very basic information does not exist. This extreme lack of transparency is exactly what you'd expect from frauds and scammers.
Really? That's what you came up with? With supporters like you, it's no wonder JREF stays in business!
In case you haven't figured it out: Their donors are the people who make donations to the organization. It's their primary source of funding, like most non-profits.
Thankfully, you haven't puzzled out how to contribute financially. Consider yourself lucky!
I hate seeing flim-flam scammers take advantage of the helpless.
Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.
-- Dave Olson
Fun fact (Score:0, Troll)
No one has ever taken the formal test. Not one person.
How many have taken the preliminary test? JREF doesn't know -- they're that badly organized.
There have been a few cases reported where JREF has killed applications by requesting changes to the protocol that effectively changing the nature of the claim made by the challenger. That makes for some great posts on the JREF forum, but otherwise hurts the reputation of the challenge itself.
In short: Randi is a fraud. He does a disservice to the skeptical co
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No one has ever taken the formal test. Not one person.
That's because nobody has passed preliminary testing.
How many have taken the preliminary test? JREF doesn't know -- they're that badly organized.
Check their web site - they have dozens of writeups on preliminary tests.
There have been a few cases reported where JREF has killed applications by requesting changes to the protocol that effectively changing the nature of the claim made by the challenger.
Reported by whom? I've seen examples where they ask for changes to the claim because the claim was untestable. For example, there was a guy who said he could talk telepathically to aliens. He could describe their homeworld and technology and everything. Of course, he could be making it all up, so they asked him if he could provide anything that could be testable.
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Check their web site - they have dozens of write-ups on preliminary tests.
Let's put this to the test. Can you find any of the following (for 2012):
The number of applicants (notarized).
The number of applications rejected.
The number of applications in process.
The number of preliminary tests conducted.
Having trouble? That's because that very basic information does not exist. This extreme lack of transparency is exactly what you'd expect from frauds and scammers.
If it acts like a fraud ...
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Er - who cares? Who are they defrauding?
Yeah it could be run better, but the million dollar challenge isn't their main mission. But it's all their money, so who cares?
Re:Fun fact (Score:2)
Who are they defrauding?
Their donors, obviously.
Occasionally, the federal government. Though that's just Randi, not necessarily the JREF. Ask Jose Alverez about that...
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The donors of the prize? There was one donor. He's fine with it.
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The donors of the prize?
Really? That's what you came up with? With supporters like you, it's no wonder JREF stays in business!
In case you haven't figured it out: Their donors are the people who make donations to the organization. It's their primary source of funding, like most non-profits.
Thankfully, you haven't puzzled out how to contribute financially. Consider yourself lucky!
I hate seeing flim-flam scammers take advantage of the helpless.