
ORBS Lookup Entries Undergo Major Revamping 93
John Bajana-Bacalle writes: "I noticed this morning that as of 2001/2/1 relays.orbs.org has been decommisioned, ORBS has announced. The announcement further mentions some serious new testing/checking/hostname additions, about a dozen of them, that will greatly increase the granularity of the ORBS results. A benefit seems to be the end user now has fine granularity in the results s/he will get back, obviating some of the bullshit griping that surrounds ORBS most often. More power to us and them. =)"
Re:Hey Lavadog (Score:1)
Re:Oh my GOD! (Score:1)
Re:Hey Lavadog (Score:1)
Re:Some calculations.... (Score:1)
I am fairly sure that if you spend tens to hundreds of hours dealing with the damage resulting from some spammers abusing _your_ mail server and getting thousands upon thousands of people mad at YOU because they think YOU were responsible for the spam, you too would be somewhat less openminded about spammers.
You see.. people who let YOU take the heat for things THEY did are not people I like. I (the company I work for, rather) gets thousands worth of damage, not to mention a bad name so that some spammer can earn some quick bucks without too much work.
How exactly can this be justified?
Spam results in real damage - maybe not per se for the individuals who just have to 'click delete', but somebody ends up getting hurt. And in most societies, people do not have the freedom to inflict damage onto other people.
Cheers,
Moz.
Re:I have one question (Score:1)
it knoked me down to zero karma
but hey It was for a good cause
at least I believe in it
you have some good points about volintaring
and doing good things
but I have been on the net for along time
and spam has been a problem for much of that time
when I used to read the newsgroups alot spam was
a real pain in the ass
spam in e-mail is getting worse all the time
would you like it if your kids got spammed by porn sites?
Spam is more then an inconvience
It goes against everything the internet was originaly founded on
Fine granularity??? (Score:1)
Come on, this is not called fine granularity.
Re:Sorry I can't agree (Score:2)
Now consider someone who is fairly active online - I have Spam-proofed all but one account which I need for business (and thus I can't risk not relaying legit mail by using ORBS, MAPS, or RBL). This address recieves approximately 150 UCE's per day! Granted, I do filter them quickly, and it's more annoying than anything. However, for many it would be a significant cost.
That is why I fight against Spam.
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Re:Configuring Sendmail (Score:2)
Re:I have one question (Score:2)
Re:ORBS database data quality going downhill (Score:1)
or alternatively they must ensure that their customers do not run open SMTP software on their own PCs. In other words ORBS implies that ISPs must require their customers to allow the ISP to vet/check their PCs or else offer only a "managed end-user equipment" service [impossibly costly].
This is specious. All an ISP has to do to prevent customers from doing their own SMTP deliveries, is tell their router to block outbound connections to TCP port 25. Takes 30 seconds, costs nothing, and requires no interacting with client equipment/software.
Configuring Sendmail (Score:2)
FEATURE(dnsbl,`relays.orbs.org',` open relay $&{client_addr}; see: http://www.orbs.org')
I'd also include the corresponding excerpt from sendmail.cf, but Slashdot's lameness filter thinks sendmail.cf is crap.
If I simply replace relays.orbs.org with inputs.orbs.org, it looks like that will ONLY block real open relays. I do want to block open relay servers, but I don't want to block legitimate servers that have stupid Exchange servers on their networks happily forwarding mail, and I don't want to block legitimate servers like Earthlink's that happen to have sent out spam before but are widely used by a lot of people. Previously, I had to explicitly allow relaying from certain hosts; otherwise I was losing legitimate mail. Hopefully I won't have to do that anymore.
Does this look good? Is there anything else I should be doing? I do also use the MAPS RBL, btw.
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Re:Kill 'em automagically (Score:1)
If you want to butcher your LWP::Simple, look for a line that says:
$ua->agent("LWP::Simple/$LWP::VERSION");
and make it say something like:
$ua->agent("Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010105
");
that last is all one line. LWP::UserAgent is the way to go to fix this for real.
Re:Wanna cost spammers real $$$$$$? (Score:1)
#!/bin/bash
if [ ! -d
mkdir -p
chmod a+rwxt
elif [ ! -w
exit 1
fi
cd
while [ -e LOCK ] ; do sleep 2 ; done
touch LOCK
chmod go= LOCK
wget -r -l 2 -nd -o logfile &>
rm -rf
want to hear what spam scum have to say? (Score:1)
ORBS sucks when it comes to .edu (Score:2)
The ugly scene unfolds: A professor or grad student slaps her new linux box on the net, sendmail running, third-party relay enabled, and WHAM! Eighty angry faculty and staff come crashing into your office demanding to know why their government/private/overseas collaborators can no longer receive mail from them. ORBS rears its fugly head. And the underpaid, underappreciated, overworked IT person gets the blame.
Before you get your panties in a bunch over crappy
At least when it comes to
-my02.
ORBS doesn't have my respect (Score:1)
at least he keeps his posts on topic (Score:1)
Re:ORBS database data quality going downhill (Score:1)
Ha ha, very funny. In other words, all an ISP has to do is to cut off its customers from the Internet on port 25.
Yes, what's the problem with that? ISPs run mail relays for their customers; it's not like this stops them from doing anything legitimate.
Re:Sorry I can't agree (Score:1)
Let's do some math. Let's say that there is one second between the first two clicks, and then a full two second after the second one before you can click on the next one while you wait for the email to be deleted. That's 3 seconds per spam. You said that you get 10 per day? That's 30 seconds to delete all the spam for the day. With 365.25 days per year, that's 21915 seconds or 6.09 hours of deleting spam. I'd rather be coding...
Re:ORBS database data quality going downhill (Score:2)
You're wrong.
Perhaps that's the case for Microsoft users who have little option but to deliver all their mail to a smarthost, but it's certainly not the case for Unix/Linux/BSD users. The norm there is for their MTAs to manage their own queues and to deliver direct to the destination mail exchangers in accordance with DNS/MX, not only because that is the default for Unix machines out of the box, but also because that's the normal method of delivery for MTAs on the Internet, as opposed to those on internal networks.
They are paying to be on the Internet, so blocking their MTAs from delivering outbound traffic in the normal way for Internet machinery is definitely stopping totally legitimate activity.
Fighting spam is important, but if you do so by blocking ports then you're on the slippery slope from being a supplier of Internet connectivity to running a closed and restricted environment like MSN or the old Compuserve. If that's the business you want to be in, fine, but then don't call your business an ISP, or at least be honest and advertise your connectivity as restricted.
Just because some people are criminals, you don't put everyone in jail on the offchance that they might commit a crime.
Re:Sorry I can't agree (Score:2)
"And theft is OK as long as you don't steal more than $5 from any one person. That way it's 'hardly a major inconvenience.'"
Re:Hit 'em where it Hurts: This way is EZ and $$$$ (Score:1)
while true do
var P = GetURL("http://www.goto.com/d/search/?Keywords=bu
every p in Seq(P,"li") do
try
GetURL(Elem(p,"a")[0].href);
catch E
end;
end;
end;
Please use irresponsibly.
-- Dr. Pain
(*) http://www.research.compaq.com/SRC/WebL/index.htm
Re:ORBS database data quality going downhill (Score:1)
Perhaps that's the case for Microsoft users who have little option but to deliver all their mail to a smarthost, but it's certainly not the case for Unix/Linux/BSD users.
So what? Reconfigure your box. Surely you have the 30 seconds to spare, if you can manage it for Slashdot. You have to configure the gateway and netmask and NNTP server, configure an SMTP smarthost as well.
The norm there is for their MTAs to manage their own queues and to deliver direct to the destination mail exchangers in accordance with DNS/MX, not only because that is the default for Unix machines out of the box, but also because that's the normal method of delivery for MTAs on the Internet, as opposed to those on internal networks.
Since I've been doing this internet stuff (about 15 years now) it's never been the "norm" for individual boxes to deliver mail straight to the destination MX. Back when we were creaming our collective pants over new clusters of Apollo workstations with 4M (wow!) of RAM, mail was forwarded to a central machine for delivery. Now that the kids are creaming their collective pants over 1.3GHz barnstormers running the latest Gatesware, mail is forwarded to a central machine for delivery.
I don't understand your distinction between "internal networks" and "machines on the internet" unless you mean to distinguish between those machines which potentially - due to the lack of intervening proxy servers or to intermittent connectivity - have the capability of end-to-end contact with remote MXes and those which don't, in which case please refer to my paragraph above.
They are paying to be on the Internet, so blocking their MTAs from delivering outbound traffic in the normal way for Internet machinery is definitely stopping totally legitimate activity.
The activity these people are trying to engage in is the delivery of mail, not the communication between their MTA and a specific SMTP server. You might as well complain that UUnet is no longer sending your packets through 200.at-6-0-0.XR1.ATL1.ALTER.NET, which has always been your favorite backbone router since you were a child. As long as they provide a mail relay that gets the mail there immediately and reliably, you are none the worse off (except, perhaps, that you have to wait for bounces rather than looking in your logs to identify certain short-term delivery problems which are out of your hands anyway).
Just because some people are criminals, you don't put everyone in jail on the offchance that they might commit a crime.
Just because most people aren't criminals, doesn't mean you give them all keys to the bank vault. Sorry, what are these homilies supposed to prove again?
Re:You R correct!!!! (Score:1)
But those of us not in america still get the same spams as you do. the amount of american spam that hits my relay is incredible - and it dosen't benefit me or the spammers.
dunno what my point is...
Re:Sorry I can't agree (Score:2)
"I don't call 30 spams a day a minor inconience SPAM is not free speach these people are abusing resources"
So you run your own mail server? Let's assume the average spam is 2k in size and you receive 30/day. It will take less than 15 seconds to pull these through a 56k line. That's assuming you *don't* have any server side blocking software installed, which, if you hate spam as much as you claim, would be a prudent choice. I would say ~90% of the spam I receive is easily recognizable by the subject line alone, therefore you won't even need to view the message. As you can see, I have my real e-mail address published in my user profile. I have had this address for approximately two years and I use hotmail to check other POP accounts that I have had longer. On average, I receive ~20 messages/day. About 10 of these are from friends or family. The rest are SPAM. It takes exactly two mouse clicks to delete a spam mailing. Hardly a major inconvenience.
Re:I can help! (Score:1)
Freedon of Speech (Score:1)
Freedom of Speech is protection between the government and citizen, not citizen to citizen. In that case freedom of speech doesn't exist. You or I do not *have* to listen to another person, no person has the right to force their 'freedom of speech' on to another. I do not have the legal right to come into your home (via phone, email etc.) and force you to listen to my opinion.
Please fight spam: http://spamcop.net
Re:I have one question (Score:1)
I thought about that when I posted
I have no way to justify my actions
but I can think of no better way to spread the word
at least I am not trying to make money from my posts
Re:good riddance (Score:3)
The largest cost of spam happens when mail is queued for users on mail servers and the time it takes for the user to read/delete the mail.
ORBS tries to mail themselves through your mail server. If you don't want people to use your mail SERVICE then don't let them relay through it.
But perhaps you are one of those who think it should be illegal to access a web server except by following a link from an authorized site.
Re:Wanna cost spammers real $$$$$$? (Score:2)
$page = get "http://www.goto.com/d/search/?Keywords=bulk+emai
@urls = grep
($page =~
foreach (@urls) {
my $subpage = get "http://www.goto.com$_";
print "-- ", ($subpage =~
}
--
THIS IS NOT REDUNDANT!!!! (Score:1)
please mod him up
ORBS database data quality going downhill (Score:2)
If you examine the entries for blacklist-nominated ISPs on their site where the ISP's smarthosts are not open relays but the ISP is still under threat of blacklisting, you'll see that ORBS offers the ISPs two ways of avoiding the blacklisting being imposed:
- either the ISP must not allow its customers to post mail to the Internet through the SMTP smarthosts that those customers are paying to use [hilariously funny];
- or alternatively they must ensure that their customers do not run open SMTP software on their own PCs. In other words ORBS implies that ISPs must require their customers to allow the ISP to vet/check their PCs or else offer only a "managed end-user equipment" service [impossibly costly].
As should be obvious, neither of these alternatives constitutes a viable option in the large-scale ISP market, so ORBS really have no intention of acting in a constructive manner in this area. There must be a few tens of millions of ISP-connected PCs in the US alone that contravene ORBS' requirements, and I bet that many of their own administrators' home PCs do as well, ie. those that use their ISP's smarthosts. ORBS are merely exercising their hatred for spam in a vengeful way, without any regard at all for whether what they demand is possible or not.
Well, ORBS's policy is ORBS's business, but if they sincerely want to reduce the amount of spam on the net then they've got to use policies that make it possible for ISPs to comply. Their current ones do not allow this, so it's not surprising that ORBS is getting more and more marginalized and treated as unprofessional.
Re:Wanna cost spammers real $$$$$$? (Score:2)
perl -MLWP::Simple -e '(get("http://www.goto.com$_") =~ m{<TITLE>\s*(.*?)</TITLE>}i) && print "-- $1\n" foreach (grep /xargs/, get("http://goto.com/d/search/?Keywords=bulk+email ") =~ /<a href=(\S+)/g)'
--
latest and greatest (Score:1)
use LWP::UserAgent;
$ua = new LWP::UserAgent;
@agents = split
'Mozilla/4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686)
Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686)
Mozilla/4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686)
Mozilla/4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686)
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010105
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010105
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5 i686; en-US; 0.6) Gecko/20001206
Mozilla/4.51 [en] (WinNT; U)
Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; U)
Mozilla/4.74 [en] (WinNT; U)
Mozilla/4.08 [en] (WinNT; U)
Mozilla/4.08 [en] (WinNT; U)';
srand( time() ^ ($$ + ($$ << 15)) );
$agent = $agents[int(rand(scalar(@agents)))];
warn "$agent\n";
$ua->agent($agent);
$request =new HTTP::Request('GET', 'http://www.goto.com/d/search/?Keywords=bulk+emai
$response = $ua->request($request); # or
$page = $response->content;
@urls = grep
$maxpulls = int(5 + rand(10));
warn "$maxpulls\n";
foreach (@urls)
{
$request = new HTTP::Request('GET', "http://www.goto.com$_");
$ua->agent($agent);
$response = $ua->request($request); # or
$subpage = $response->content;
print "-- ", ($subpage =~
last if $i++ > $maxpulls;
$sleep = int(16 + rand(16));
warn "sleeping $sleep seconds\n";
sleep $sleep;
}
Re:ORBS sucks when it comes to .edu (Score:1)
Block inbound port 25. to everything except your approved MTA hosts. Be sure to reject (icmp port unreachable) rather than deny (no response).
Block outbound port 25 from everything except approved MTA hosts.
Should keep you off ORBS. Maybe.
Choice as the Answer to Broad Strokes/Hits (Score:1)
Babe, you have to choose to want to block nets that don't want to be tested. The plainer inputs.orbs.org will not return hits like the above. IOW, the user now has the granularity to test for verified open relays (inputs.orbs.org), and if she chooses, for networks that do not allow themselves to be tested. You have now been given the choice to discriminate, that is called granularity.
Your problem then would be with the users who specifically choose to also check for nets that will not allow themselves to be ORBS tested, the assumtion there being that perhaps they could be spammers. Read the ORBS announcement a few times, it took me a while to get the intent of the other new entries as well.
For example, I guess that the difference between spamsources.orbs.org and spamsource-netblocks.orbs.org is that the latter checks, acts on a netblock basis. Whilst the former is less broad, per IP, I surmise. And spamsources would 'appear' to indicate a known professional spammer outfit, IP/netblock. The announcement could use a detailed URL reference on the nitty-gritty differences.
--
Me pican las bolas, man!
Thanks
Re:latest and greatest (Score:1)
Enjoy.
Re:ORBS database data quality going downhill (Score:2)
Oops, unfortunately you misunderstood me totally.
Smarthosts that allow relay from the entire world are open relays. They have been and will be abused for large amounts of spam. There are plenty of solutions to circumvent this problem. The simplest is to let people use the SMTP server of their access-provider
Yes, you're 100% correct, but I was referring not to the more amateurish ISPs that still run open relays since the issue there is obvious, but exclusively to the major ISPs who provide CLOSED relays for private use by their customers and by nobody else. There all non-customers are blocked from relaying completely. ORBS still blacklists such ISPs, not just those running open relays like most people think, and therein lies the problem for ORBS because it makes them look like cowboys. Now re-read what I said in that context.
[If they only blacklisted ISPs that run open relays then ORBS wouldn't be in the continual doghouse that it's in, and there wouldn't be any war between them and MAPS.]
Re:latest and greatest (Score:1)
Oops, was using the other browser. That's me.
Re:We can hurt spammer!!! (Score:1)
Re:Great, antispam sites more effecient (Score:2)
--
WolfSkunks for a better Linux Kernel
$Stalag99{"URL"}="http://stalag99.keenspace.com";
Re:ORBS database data quality going downhill (Score:2)
You either understand full well that it's not a time issue, or else you're missing the point through a total lack of understanding. Virtually nobody that is trying to run a quality setup at home in order to have some semblance of control over mail delivery by holding mail in their local queue until it is accepted by the remote mail exchanger (like virtually all the people I know who run Unix-type boxes on personal LANs) is going to reconfigure their box just because you want them to. You may not mind your mail being at the mercy of your local ISP's sysadmins but that doesn't necessarily mean that others think likewise. The only people I know who would accept what you propose are those running Windows, and that's because for the most part they've installed an ISP's software off some CDROM and there's no MTA capability in their DUN and so they know no other way of working.
Since I've been doing this internet stuff (about 15 years now)
OK, so you joined the party late, but that's no excuse for proposing a newbie-style solution that not only runs utterly counter to the values on which the Internet was built, but actually breaks normal usage to boot.
ROFL. End of discussion then, because our experiences differ utterly and you don't accept that the people who I describe exist, so you will never be able to propose an anti-spam solution that captures their requirements. That simply eliminates you from the ISP market place in that area.
Great, antispam sites more effecient (Score:1)
Re:We can hurt spammer!!! (Score:1)
Wanna cost spammers real $$$$$$? (Score:2)
If you bookmark this and go there once a day and click on the top 10 links you
will cost each of these scum bags up to several dollars a day
If there are only 100 of us doing this we can cost them a fortune
It won't do any good to click a link more then once because goto.com
has a system in place to prevent that
goto.com bulk email [goto.com]
This info is from my war on spam page follow the link in my sig.
to find out more
We can hurt spammer!!! (Score:1)
and fight back we can do some serious damage to spammers
Call the 800 numbers in spam IT COSTS THEM MONEY!!
Process all spam thru spamcop [spamcop.net]
If enough of us fight back we can really make a difference
If you ignore spam you are HELPING SPAMMERS!
If you really hate spam follow the link in my sig.
YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
PDA Mail (Score:2)
Some calculations.... (Score:3)
You admit that spam costs each person a few k of bandwidth. Let's say that an average junkmail is 5k in size. In an average mailing action we are talking about more than 1M addresses. This means at least 5GB of data transfer per mailing action.
Multiply this by the number of spammers and you can begin to see the scope of the problem.
It wouldn't be so much of a problem if they PAID to send their junk. One of the problems is that they victimize innocent people and they end up with damages ranging in the thousands of dollars so that the spammer in question can earn at most a few hundred.
Perhaps this is why the term 'leeches' is often used with this sort of people.
There is no fix on the number of junkmails one gets. You could be 'lucky' and get only a few per day or you could get over 50. If you try to be removed from the list you will get more junk.
It is good that you have a tolerance for spam. I will consider you 'opt-in' if I ever feel the need to send bulkmails.
Moz.
Re:You R correct!!!! (Score:1)
What I did 10 minutes ago... (Score:2)
Re:I have one question (Score:2)
I don't advocate or condone the actions of spammers. Yes, in some cases, spam can cause inconvenience, and uses resources and bandwidth, but the whole idea behind the Internet was to create a medium to communicate thoughts and ideas to a set of people that, for geographic or other reasons, would not not otherwise be able to communicate. While I don't always agree with the messages sent out by spammers, I defend their right to say what they please and to try and sell my their product/idea. It is also my right to delete spam/set up blocking software/ and flat out refuse spammers offers. I would much rather deal with ~10 junk mails per day than give up some of my other rights by having the Internet regulated and monitored to prevent spam. Sometimes the solution is worse than the problem. I also do not understand your almost cultlike hatred of spam. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I would much rather stand up for a cause that acutally *means something*. Instead of fighting for my protection from something like spam that causes me a minor inconvenience, I would like to see more people do something to make a real and tangible difference. Volunteer at a local soup kitchen, become a mentor to an at-risk youth, or donate a day of your time to help Habitat for Humanity built housing for low income families. It just seems to me that any of the above would do more to make the world a better place than hunting down spammers would.
Disclaimer: I do not, nor have I ever sent bulk unsolicited e-mails. My previous posts reflect my opinions so please don't flame me.
"bullshit"? Not exactly... (Score:2)
I'm glad ORBS is finally running a more responsible list.
Kill 'em automagically (Score:1)
use LWP::Simple;
my $baseurl = 'http://www.goto.com';
$origurl =
$baseurl . '/d/search/' .
'?type=home&Keywords=bulk+email';
my @initial = split(/\n/, get($origurl));
for my $line ( @initial )
{
next unless $line =~
$line =~
my $url = "$baseurl$1";
my $discard = get("$url");
if ( defined $discard) { print "Got OK\n"; }
else { print "Get FAILED\n"; }
}
# this uses the URL Lenny provided, but does
# all the damage automagically
# Also, since it does no cookie processing
# it gets a new session ID each time it runs
# so you can probably run it over and over
# and defeat the protections built in against
# repeat requests.
# you'll need to install LWP::Simple and
# it's requirements to run this
# see www.cpan.org
# perl rules!
ORBS suck (Score:1)
More power to us, not to them. (Score:2)
ORBS in the past has been known to be very agressive in testing, to the point of causing a DoS attack. They also are known to do "revenge listings" of those who block ORBS' testing.
MAPS' Relay Spam Stopper is tested by humans only, and also allows you to test your relay yourself. I've done this on my systems at work -- I don't relay.
--
WolfSkunks for a better Linux Kernel
$Stalag99{"URL"}="http://stalag99.keenspace.com";
Re:Some calculations.... (Score:3)
Re:Wanna cost spammers real $$$$$$? (Score:1)
WGET level 1 runs as a daily cron is easy (Score:1)
Re:ORBS sucks when it comes to .edu (Score:2)
Here's one way a few of the responsible .edus have ended (not just slowed, ended) their open relay abuse problem on all hosts.
If you skip the MX translation for outside viewing, your filtering will cause timeouts.
It's best to do both the filtering and the MX translation.
If you do both, bingo, your .edu has no more problems with spam sent through promiscuous relays.
Sure, that's possible only if the institution gives a hoot. However, the alternative is continued spam relaying and continued ineffectual whining.
I choose no more whining. We fixed the problem. You can too.
Re:Wanna cost spammers real $$$$$$? (Score:1)
Re:ORBS database data quality going downhill (Score:2)
Ha ha, very funny. In other words, all an ISP has to do is to cut off its customers from the Internet on port 25. Great. It's that kind of pragmatism that put several million Jews in the gas chambers in the last war. Do you have any solutions for the common cold that don't involve cutting off the head?
Evidently you aren't aware that people go to an Internet Service Provider in order to be connected to the Internet, not to be blocked from it. Sheesh.
Remind me not to hire you when I have any hard problems to resolve.
Re:Oh my GOD! (Score:1)
Speaking As A Mail Admin... (Score:1)
For some time now, certain folks have been bitching about how ORBS is too agressive. About how ORBS lists too man (allegedly) innocent sites. Well this may not do anything to answer the critics of ORBS' active open relay discovery, but it certainly addresses the second complaint very nicely.
I've got inputs, outputs and manual in the checks now. It'll be interesting to see the output of my maillog analyzer over the next week or so--seeing which of these blocks what.
Re:You R correct!!!! (Score:1)
spam has nothing to do with free speech. spam is qualified not by its content but by:
Re:ORBS sucks when it comes to .edu (Score:1)
Re:More power to us, not to them. (Score:1)
Note how if you do not like the testing methods or the way ORBS is run, and ask not to be tested, you are lumped into the same space as 'known open relays'.
*sigh* No change in policy, just a shuffling of the deck chairs on the titanic is all.
Re:Hit 'em where it Hurts: This way is EZ and $$$$ (Score:2)
DISCLAIMER: This is probably illegal or immoral and I myself would never concieve of actually doing such a thing, much less telling someone else to. For Entertainment value only. There's probably an easier way to do it if you're a WGET expert.
HREF=/d/sr
With
HREF=www.goto.com/d/sr
Save the results as
wget -qHr -l1 --spider -i
TA DA! Instant drain to spammer resources, the world over. Update your SPAMMERS file every few weeks, as this will probably drive many of them out of business very quickly.
Re:Hit 'em where it Hurts: This way is EZ and $$$$ (Score:1)
Re:You R correct!!!! (Score:2)
Re:PDA Mail (Score:1)
The best suggestion I can give regarding spam to PDA's/wireless is to not use the target address, un-munged, on chat rooms, public Usenet groups, or for registering on suspect web sites.
Alternatively, ask your wireless ISP to use ORBS.
Oh my GOD! (Score:1)
Send a message!!! [goto.com]
Click that link, then for speed, right-click on each link and choose, "open in new window"
Just let each page load, and force them to spend some REAL BUCKS!!!
Re:Wanna cost spammers real $$$$$$? (Score:1)
wget -L -r -o
Re:Some calculations.... (Score:2)
and later
"It wouldn't be so much of a problem if they PAID to send their junk"
If you know where I can get 5GB of bandwidth for free, please let me know.
"There is no fix on the number of junkmails one gets"
Yes there is. You willingly publish your e-mail address in public forums such as Slashdot, therefore you are encouraging anyone who reads this forum, including spammers, to e-mail you. If you don't want to receive e-mails, don't post your e-mail address. There are also numerous filtering software applications available that can reduce the amount of bulk mail you will receive.
Re:good riddance (Score:1)
Simply null-route your network from the relay testers that ORBS uses; then they will note your netblock as being a possible spam carrier.
Just don't complain if I refuse to accept mail from your servers because your netblock is registered as a possible spam relay.
I trust ORBS, just as I trust MAPS, to reduce the amount of shit I and my users receive... don't insult a free anti-spam service simply because it uses a minimal amount of bandwidth in order to prevent misuse of *YOUR* network.
In every case, ORBS will mail the postmaster at each server it finds as open; therefore telling you if you have an open relay... and giving you a chance to fix it. I think everybody who posts to Slashdot will agree that open relays are *BAD* things!
I'd rather have a single anti-spam mechanism darkening my SMTP service every once in a while instead of 100 piss-ant spammers hitting my boxes with 10,000 messages an hour.
"Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wuntime ewwors!" - Elmer Fudd
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Re:I can help! (Score:1)
http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=Lav
Re:"bullshit"? Not exactly... (Score:1)
That remains to be seen. They *MIGHT* actually become something useful.
But, if ORBS continues with the spite listings in the normal listings, then they still won't be useful.
You'll get to see 1st hand if they will actually not test sites that have asked not to be tested.
Re:Some calculations.... (Score:2)
Well, doesn't that seem to be the problem now? You want something for free so you can sell it for money. That looks like theft to me. *somebody* ends up paying for it.
Also, mr. spammer.. why are you asking where *you* can get 5GB of bandwidth for free?
Is it possible for me to post my email address in a public forum and state "don't send me ANY spam!"? Will that be respected by spammers? I doubt it. They even seem to filter out "NOSPAM" segments in email addresses.
If I willingly publish my fax number somewhere, am I also inviting people to send me junk faxes? Oh, wait.. that was illegal. Speaking of which, all too often illegal practices are used in the spam sending process. Addresses are forged, service is stolen, etc. This is highly anti-social and unethical.
If you have no other way to provide yourself with an income, you should consider more profitable criminal activities.
Moz.
Hey Lavadog (Score:1)
the correct link is
http://www.goto.com/d/search/?type=home&Keyword
sorry about the inconience
someone else cought themistake and pointed it out to me
the original link identifies everyone that clicks it as the same person
therefore they don't get billed for the clicks
Re:Some calculations.... (Score:1)
Re:You R correct!!!! (Score:1)
I don't live in America.
One of the sicker aspects of spam is that I get lots of stuff I couldn't take advantage of EVEN IF I BELIEVED THEM.
Spam is not free; even if email spam is cheaper to me than paper spam, it is also cheaper to the sender. To my disadvantage.
You lose (Score:2)
Think a little bit ahead (Score:2)
This is true for one spam a day. Is it true for ten? A hundred? A thousand?
Spamming a million people costs the sender less than a small newspaper ad. How many ads did your local newspapers carry this week? And how many newspapers are their in the world? (Yeah, the world. I receive two or three spams a day for shit in Argentina. I've never even been to Argentina.)
Sure, you don't get that much now. But the only reason we all get so little spam is that people who spam get booted off the Internet. If the DMA [the-dma.org], in conjunction with goofballs such as yourself, manages to make spam legitimate, then you will get that much spam.
Thanks to the DMA and their ilk, 90% of my paper mail is garbage, and that's with them paying 100% of the cost. With email, the recipient pays a good chunk of the cost, even without the theft of services that 95% of spam involve. So what percentage of your inbox will be crap?
And then, having made normal email useless, the marketroids will be competing for ways to "cut through the clutter". A spam won't be a few k anymore; it will be a few hundred. I'm already starting to see 'em with 50k of imbedded GIFs; flash animations won't be far behind.
That makes it a little harder to ignore, eh, bucko?
It depends (Score:2)
It depends on what you define as "mean something". For me and for those I know that care about spam, there are indeed deeper issues involved:
This is not to say that soup kitchens are not worthy, and I do contribute to them. But the worthiness of ameliorating the pain of poverty doesn't automatically make other positive actions meaningless.
If you want to gripe at somebody about the poor state of the world, gripe at the large number of people who do nothing. Or better, gripe at the large number of parasites and dirtbags who are a drain on us all. Like, say, spammers.
Dream on (Score:2)
Hey, and once this television thing catches on, they'll take all those commercials off the radio and take the ads out of newspapers, right?
If we could shift all snail-mail, telephone, and junk-fax advertising to e-mail, I'd honestly have to think about it. But the truth is, it's not a choice of junk mail versus junk email. Your USPS mailbox is already doomed; it's a choice between saving our electronic inboxes or letting 'em fill up with crap too.
Re:Configuring Sendmail (Score:1)
Just leave it running as-is, and see if it blocks anything (grep for www.orbs.org in your Sendmail logs).
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third one isn't spammers (Score:2)
Re:It depends (Score:1)
we put our e-mail in open forums (Score:1)
Re:Wanna cost spammers real $$$$$$? (Score:2)
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Re:I wish I could help... (Score:1)
Sorry I can't agree (Score:1)
SPAM is not free speach
these people are abusing resources
I f you have a problem with killing trees
then you should do something about it
If you read my page you would see it has nothing to do with real murder
individuals who have done nothing worse than attempting to earn a living and support their family in a competitive capitalist economy.
these people arn't relying on spam to support thier familys
They are part of the get rich quick on the internet crowd
THEY ARE SCUM
they don't care about the 999,990 people that hate thier spam
they just care about 100 morons that fall for thier crap
Hit 'em where it Hurts: This way is EZ and $$$$ (Score:5)
Once a day, go here [goto.com] and right-click on each link, select 'open in new window' and let the pages load.
The expense will add up quite quick, I think!